Two Questions

[Green Sleeves]

There has been speculation - probably not all accurate - that Jones, Murphy, Boozy, Benji, and Fletcher all want away from Hibs in either January or the summer. But its strange cos I dont see the all top players at Aberdeen and Dundee United forming an orderly queue to get away in the January window.

Two questions:

Do we pat each each other on the back saying how wonderful the books balance while all the talent in the first team squad is systematically emptied?

And more to the point, how long do we tolerate the inertia and total lack of ambition from STF/RP before kicking up hell?

[Stirlinghibee]

Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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There has been speculation - probably not all accurate - that Jones, Murphy, Boozy, Benji, and Fletcher all want away from Hibs in either January or the summer. But its strange cos I dont see the all top players at Aberdeen and Dundee United forming an orderly queue to get away in the January window.

Two questions:

Do we pat each each other on the back saying how wonderful the books balance while all the talent in the first team squad is systematically emptied?

And more to the point, how long do we tolerate the inertia and total lack of ambition from STF/RP before kicking up hell?

Very good question!

It all comes down to the fact that the player has the power , and money talks.

We represent (along with that other mob) the best place to live in Britain, according to Ch4, so I dont think they move for the scenery.

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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And more to the point, how long do we tolerate the inertia and total lack of ambition from STF/RP before kicking up hell?

Till about now imo...

I had perhaps naively assumed that getting out of debt was to enable us to build as a club. I assumed that this was part of a long term plan. I must stop being so naive...

[Bob1875]

Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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There has been speculation - probably not all accurate - that Jones, Murphy, Boozy, Benji, and Fletcher all want away from Hibs in either January or the summer. But its strange cos I dont see the all top players at Aberdeen and Dundee United forming an orderly queue to get away in the January window.

Two questions:

Do we pat each each other on the back saying how wonderful the books balance while all the talent in the first team squad is systematically emptied?

And more to the point, how long do we tolerate the inertia and total lack of ambition from STF/RP before kicking up hell?

They teams pay a very decent wage. Tae feck if I know how. Players like Darren Mackie, probably on about 3 or 4 times as much as Fletch and Boozy, and hes no half the player. Im actually getting fed up of supporting Hibs. Its all fuckin bad news all the time.

[Europe here we come]

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. Im actually getting fed up of supporting Hibs. Its all fuckin bad news all the time.

Well don't support them I know its difficult just now but really it's not the team Hibernian we should have a problem with it's the useless ambitionless board that we have that should be the overwhelming concern. Support the team like they need us to do but we must as I have said in a previous quote get to the reasons behind why we are financially secure yet must keep selling off our best players!

Although on the other hand when are the players ever gonna learn ie. Murray, Riordan, Whitty and the rest of the money grabbing lot that have left us in recent years.

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by Europe here we come
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Well don't support them I know its difficult just now but really it's not the team Hibernian we should have a problem with it's the useless ambitionless board that we have that should be the overwhelming concern. Support the team like they need us to do but we must as I have said in a previous quote get to the reasons behind why we are financially secure yet must keep selling off our best players!

Although on the other hand when are the players ever gonna learn ie. Murray, Riordan, Whitty and the rest of the money grabbing lot that have left us in recent years.

It's cause every one of them always thinks they'll be like Scott Brown rather than the rest...

[hibdahop]

Originally Posted by wee 162
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Till about now imo...

I had perhaps naively assumed that getting out of debt was to enable us to build as a club. I assumed that this was part of a long term plan. I must stop being so naive...

Exactly my feelings.

I thought the removal of the debt would mean we could embark on steady incremental growth from a rock solid financial base........finishing the training academy (to ensure a cheap production line), building a new stand (to bring in increased revenue) and raising the wage structure (to attract and keep top players) would be the key elements of this growth IMO.

If the money is not going back in to the team on the pitch or the building of the academy or stand - where is it going? Lining Rod's and Sir Tom's pockets? Don't get me wrong I think they've done a great job, but if this is the level of their ambition they are not the ones to take us forward.

We are in a great position to build on what we've got and further establish ourselves near (or at) the front of the 2nd Teir of Scottish football behind the OF. If we don't get the backing and funding to get it right on the pitch I can't see JC hanging about. I certainly can't see crowds rising to the 20,000 required to fill a new stand.

Get it feckin' together Petrie and start paying our players close to what they're worth!! We should only be losing players when other clubs come in with silly offers, not because we can't keep them happy.

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by hibdahop
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Exactly my feelings.

I thought the removal of the debt would mean we could embark on steady incremental growth from a rock solid financial base........finishing the training academy (to ensure a cheap production line), building a new stand (to bring in increased revenue) and raising the wage structure (to attract and keep top players) would be the key elements of this growth IMO.

If the money is not going back in to the team on the pitch or the building of the academy or stand - where is it going? Lining Rod's and Sir Tom's pockets? Don't get me wrong I think they've done a great job, but if this is the level of their ambition they are not the ones to take us forward.

We are in a great position to build on what we've got and further establish ourselves near (or at) the front of the 2nd Teir of Scottish football behind the OF. If we don't get the backing and funding to get it right on the pitch I can't see JC hanging about. I certainly can't see crowds rising to the 20,000 required to fill a new stand.

Get it feckin' together Petrie and start paying our players close to what they're worth!! We should only be losing players when other clubs come in with silly offers, not because we can't keep them happy.

Nail on the head.

£10m annual revenue before transfer fees, and you're lucky if a third of that goes on the playing staff. That money comes from us. Not from any wonderful business plan, but from Hibbies paying ever increasing prices in ever increasing numbers.

If we can't keep players after that, fair enough you have to let them go elsewhere. But we've no even remotely reached the point where we're spending as much as we can but remaining financially stable.

[Bob1875]

Originally Posted by Europe here we come
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Well don't support them I know its difficult just now but really it's not the team Hibernian we should have a problem with it's the useless ambitionless board that we have that should be the overwhelming concern. Support the team like they need us to do but we must as I have said in a previous quote get to the reasons behind why we are financially secure yet must keep selling off our best players!

Although on the other hand when are the players ever gonna learn ie. Murray, Riordan, Whitty and the rest of the money grabbing lot that have left us in recent years.

Easier said than done. The ambitonless board are in charge of our club so they come under the name Hibernian im afraid. Support players that are gagging to get away, it gets tiring after a while.

I think RP and the board strive to be better off financially, and will always want to remain one of the clubs that are doing well with the cash. If we go 2 or 3 seasons without selling a few players for a few million then Id guess that we would be at a loss financially over they seasons. Thats why in Petries eyes we have to sell another player, and who other that Fletch is going to attract big money.

[hibdahop]

Originally Posted by wee 162
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It's cause every one of them always thinks they'll be like Scott Brown rather than the rest...

Originally Posted by Europe here we come
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Well don't support them I know its difficult just now but really it's not the team Hibernian we should have a problem with it's the useless ambitionless board that we have that should be the overwhelming concern. Support the team like they need us to do but we must as I have said in a previous quote get to the reasons behind why we are financially secure yet must keep selling off our best players!

Although on the other hand when are the players ever gonna learn ie. Murray, Riordan, Whitty and the rest of the money grabbing lot that have left us in recent years.

In these sort of situations, I don't think it is always the players fault - some are undeservingly villified sometimes.....okay, some can get greedy and act in a childish, spoilt and unprofessional fashion (Thomson for example). However, to be a professional footballer you've got to be pretty confident and sure of your abilities and, if a positive person, you will feel you that if you can get a chance, perform well and then you'll be difficult to dislodge from the team. Look at Scott McDonald for example.

If you go in thinking you're just going to be a bench warmer you may as well give up. I'm pretty sure every player that has gone along the M8 has told themself that they'd be a different case and when they got their chance they would take it.

Also, when are people going to wake up and realise that this is a football players JOB? Their livelihood. Generally they will have as much loyalty to a football club as you will to your place of work. Not very much. When they prattle on about being a boyhood supporter in most cases it is just a line to feed to supporters so they wont get on their backs.

I'm sure I can speak for the majority when I say, money isn't the be all and end all, but if I could multiply my salary by 10 overnight I don't think it would be too difficult a decision to make.....

[gragil69]

Originally Posted by hibdahop
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In these sort of situations, I don't think it is always the players fault - some are undeservingly villified sometimes.....okay, some can get greedy and act in a childish, spoilt and unprofessional fashion (Thomson for example). However, to be a professional footballer you've got to be pretty confident and sure of your abilities and, if a positive person, you will feel you that if you can get a chance, perform well and then you'll be difficult to dislodge from the team. Look at Scott McDonald for example.

If you go in thinking you're just going to be a bench warmer you may as well give up. I'm pretty sure every player that has gone along the M8 has told themself that they'd be a different case and when they got their chance they would take it.

Also, when are people going to wake up and realise that this is a football players JOB? Their livelihood. Generally they will have as much loyalty to a football club as you will to your place of work. Not very much. When they prattle on about being a boyhood supporter in most cases it is just a line to feed to supporters so they wont get on their backs.

I'm sure I can speak for the majority when I say, money isn't the be all and end all, but if I could multiply my salary by 10 overnight I don't think it would be too difficult a decision to make.....

I agree with that last bit..... footballers are just the same...doing a job (that they love) and getting paid for it.

All players want to play at the highest club level (Champions League)..and most will see a club as a stepping stone to the place where they can achieve it. Unfortunately...that doesnt look likely to be the Cabbage.....Even with Broonie, Katie, Whitty, Deeks and Gary....we never made it....and they were 'supposed' to be out best players.

Its life...you get over it (I never got over Stanton being sold to the 'tic though
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[Europe here we come]

Originally Posted by wee 162
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It's cause every one of them always thinks they'll be like Scott Brown rather than the rest...

Thats fair enough but we all know they ain't and to be honest Broony is really the only one in a long line that has succeeded and deserved to succeed. I just feel its a huge shame that this club keeps getting broken up when we are letting, well petrie is letting, the players walk for peanuts in the obvious exception of Broony. That was more to do with his undoubted ability rather than Petrie's negotiation skills.

[westburnhibby]

Originally Posted by Stennyhibee
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Very good question!

It all comes down to the fact that the player has the power , and money talks.

We represent (along with that other mob) the best place to live in Britain, according to Ch4, so I dont think they move for the scenery.

Money doesnt talk at ER it whispers

[Smurf]

Loving the realism on this thread and not the deluded nonsense others appear to believe. Some great points.

In particular;

Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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how long do we tolerate the inertia and total lack of ambition from STF/RP before kicking up hell?

Unfortunately too many within us - particularly elsewhere - have this 'We're lucky to be alive and if not for Sir Tom/Rod Petrie we'd be deid' mentality...

Originally Posted by wee 162
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I had perhaps naively assumed that getting out of debt was to enable us to build as a club

I dinnae believe you of all people believed that!

Originally Posted by hibdahop
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Get it feckin' together Petrie and start paying our players close to what they're worth!! We should only be losing players when other clubs come in with silly offers, not because we can't keep them happy.

Spot. On.

Originally Posted by wee 162
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£10m annual revenue before transfer fees, and you're lucky if a third of that goes on the playing staff.

Aye but if not for the miracles of Sir Tom/Rod Petrie we'd be deid..
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[Forzahibs]

Originally Posted by gragil69
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I agree with that last bit..... footballers are just the same...doing a job (that they love) and getting paid for it.

All players want to play at the highest club level (Champions League)..and most will see a club as a stepping stone to the place where they can achieve it. Unfortunately...that doesnt look likely to be the Cabbage.....Even with Broonie, Katie, Whitty, Deeks and Gary....we never made it....and they were 'supposed' to be out best players.

Its life...you get over it (I never got over Stanton being sold to the 'tic though
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I think it should read "be paid at the highest level" how many champions league games has Riordan played in ?
All this "i want to test myself" is imo a load of shite , its all about money and fuck all else so even if we up our wages i'm not convinced it would make much difference.
There should be a freeze on ticket prices until we start keeping our best players though

[1875]

I feckin' hate watching Hibs now. I much preferred eighth or ninth and Bobby Williamson than all the pee the bed, second top of the league, beat the Huns, Tramps and Gunts already, passing game we play now.

Miller must go.

Neverfeckinhappy HSC

[Forzahibs]

Originally Posted by 1875
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I feckin' hate watching Hibs now. I much preferred eighth or ninth and Bobby Williamson than all the pee the bed, second top of the league, beat the Huns, Tramps and Gunts already, passing game we play now.

Miller must go.

Neverfeckinhappy HSC

But if the papers are to be believed we will be replacing Fletcher with Nish
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[Keepitgreen]

I'm feelin rather peckish, time for a bite
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Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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There has been speculation - probably not all accurate

Indeed, but enough to get the doom merchants out it seems
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Originally Posted by Green Sleeves
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Two questions:

Do we pat each each other on the back saying how wonderful the books balance while all the talent in the first team squad is systematically emptied?

And more to the point, how long do we tolerate the inertia and total lack of ambition from STF/RP before kicking up hell?

'All the talent in the first team squad' will only leave because they decide to. Never 'emptied'. We either get top dollar for them or we don't. In the not too distant past, it was usually the latter. More recently though, it's been the former and I've been happy to hear it.

Tell me exactly what STF and RP are to do about this phenomenon of players wanting to go and play for more money? If you say pay them more money, then I'd point you to the time we tried that before. Didn't really go very well. Still feeling it years later.

Originally Posted by wee 162
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Till about now imo...

I had perhaps naively assumed that getting out of debt was to enable us to build as a club. I assumed that this was part of a long term plan. I must stop being so naive...

So what have you now decided getting out of debt was for Wee162? I think you were right originally dude. Getting out of debt will mean future profits can go towards building the team on the park and not on interest payments. The money definitely doesn't just disappear. I'm interested in where it is you think it's went now?

Originally Posted by Bob1875