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mayo · 15-10-07, 11:47

It was suggested to me by someone that Hibs players seem fitter under Collins. What does everybody think and is there a difference between the two managers that has led to the current good form or is it down to players or what else? Has the fitness regime improved or is that nonsense?

**GforGallo** · 15-10-07, 11:49

id say there is and that its down to roger propos

**dangerousdavid** · 15-10-07, 11:51

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id say there is and that its down to roger propos

Which in turn is down to JC bringing Propos in

**Naked Chef** · 15-10-07, 11:55

Think its obvious for all to see that they are fitter.
It was immediately obvious at the start of the season that Benji and Murphy were much "leaner".

Brainwrong · 15-10-07, 11:56

We're playing to the final whistle. Something we didn't do under Mowbray.

**Purple & Green** · 15-10-07, 12:40

We're fitter, stronger, better disciplined, better organised and mentally tougher. I think the "revolt" last season had more to do with the players being shaken out of their comfort zone.

Mowbray I think was happy to get the players to a level of attainment, Collins isn't happy with a "level" he wants improvement all the time. It's not enough for Hibs to give Rangers or Celtic a game and lose he wants to win. That I think is the key difference between the two managers, and whilst it's taken a while for the players to buy into it I think they are doing so now. It's a no brainer for them, if they get a move from Hibs as cup winners/whatever they could multiple their wages.

I think Collins will get the offer of a premiership job before Mowbray, and I reckon theres more chance of us winning the SPL than WBA winning the Championship.

basehibby · 15-10-07, 13:08

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We're fitter, stronger, better disciplined, better organised and mentally tougher. I think the "revolt" last season had more to do with the players being shaken out of their comfort zone.

Mowbray I think was happy to get the players to a level of attainment, Collins isn't happy with a "level" he wants improvement all the time. It's not enough for Hibs to give Rangers or Celtic a game and lose he wants to win. That I think is the key difference between the two managers, and whilst it's taken a while for the players to buy into it I think they are doing so now. It's a no brainer for them, if they get a move from Hibs as cup winners/whatever they could multiple their wages.

Agreed 100%. I remember an interview with Riordan not long after he had sloped off to the Hoops saying that he was struck by how much harder he had to work in training at Celtic.
I remember this causing some consternation on the msg boards (and no bloody wonder!!!)
Who knows - maybe there was an attitude at Hibs that since you never got payed top whack you didn't have to work as hard?!? Whatever - that attitude is clearly not tolerated by Collins and Craig and I'm pretty sure that had plenty to do with the player mutiny.
Regardless of conjecture, there has definately been an improvement in the overall fitness of the squad and that has definately had a positive effect on our season so far (witness the fightbacks vs Aberdeen and Gretna and taking the game to Celtic late on at 2-2).
Apart from the fitness angle - the team had a more flamboyant feel under Mowbray - under Collins that flair is still there but not so obvious in a team showing far more discipline and organisation than before.
Overall ratings - Hibs were a joy to watch under Mowbray but lacked consistency (A-)
Under Collins we've achieved that consistency and look a stronger outfit - (A+)

**CAPY888** · 15-10-07, 13:14

In my opionion Tony Mowb was of the old school of Football Managers. When Tony was doing pre season training he had them running laps round Arthurs seat then play 7's bak at the ground. Now obviosuly this will get your average Joe fit but for professional footballers this will not make them anymore fitter.
John Collins is very much of the new School. He has always been at the top of his fitness and spending time in france made him even more health conscious. Even before he brought in Popos he was trying his hardest to get them even more fitter. The pre season now consists of Measured sprints gym work, Strenghening fitnes drills and a 7 day shedule in the build up to the season + John has put in strict dietary routines and food which is not allowed (remember the article in the son with Stewart claiming John went of his nut becuase he ordered a Ommlette in Marbella)
In games ive noticed the players looking 100% fitter, tougher and mentally fit more than Tony Mowb had them. Even the fact we dont loose are bottle (touch wood) in games show mentall and physical fitness showing through. The boys would slog there guts out 4 60 mins against the old firm and the gunts only to switch off and loose pace with the game for teams to go on to win. How many times did that happen under Tony???

Anyway in answer to the question i Collins is the man and with time will be 10X the manager Mowbray will.

cleanyman · 15-10-07, 13:21

John Collins has simply done a fanrastic job so far, the players are far fitter than what they once were, we are now a team that can push and play for a full 90 mins, which we were severly lacking in under TM.

Ian C · 15-10-07, 13:30

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It was suggested to me by someone that Hibs players seem fitter under Collins. What does everybody think and is there a difference between the two managers that has led to the current good form or is it down to players or what else? Has the fitness regime improved or is that nonsense?

AGREE WITH ALL THE ANSWERS. JC IS THE MAN.
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Hibeewilly · 15-10-07, 13:36

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We're fitter, stronger, better disciplined, better organised and mentally tougher. I think the "revolt" last season had more to do with the players being shaken out of their comfort zone.

Mowbray I think was happy to get the players to a level of attainment, Collins isn't happy with a "level" he wants improvement all the time. It's not enough for Hibs to give Rangers or Celtic a game and lose he wants to win. That I think is the key difference between the two managers, and whilst it's taken a while for the players to buy into it I think they are doing so now. It's a no brainer for them, if they get a move from Hibs as cup winners/whatever they could multiple their wages.

I think Collins will get the offer of a premiership job before Mowbray, and I reckon theres more chance of us winning the SPL than WBA winning the Championship.

Great post - 110% correct.
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oo2beahibby · 15-10-07, 14:30

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We're fitter, stronger, better disciplined, better organised and mentally tougher. I think the "revolt" last season had more to do with the players being shaken out of their comfort zone.

Mowbray I think was happy to get the players to a level of attainment, Collins isn't happy with a "level" he wants improvement all the time. It's not enough for Hibs to give Rangers or Celtic a game and lose he wants to win. That I think is the key difference between the two managers, and whilst it's taken a while for the players to buy into it I think they are doing so now. It's a no brainer for them, if they get a move from Hibs as cup winners/whatever they could multiple their wages.

I think Collins will get the offer of a premiership job before Mowbray, and I reckon theres more chance of us winning the SPL than WBA winning the Championship.

Bang on the money, Bobby, except your last point. The Baggies might just sneak the Championship, whilst I cannae see us becoming SPL champions, even with the improvements JC has brought to the club.

I still think TM did a wonderful job for us, and will always be grateful to him for turning things round at ER. JC is making further improvements that bodes well for the future of our club.

Teebs · 15-10-07, 16:39

Its good to see that everyone is getting behind JC now. A few months ago most people wanted him out. Mowbray done a great job at Hibs and got the ball rolling by playing good football and bringing good young players through. It looks like Collins is continuing that and begining to take Hibs to the next level

ChopperLaw · 15-10-07, 16:52

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Bang on the money, Bobby, except your last point. The Baggies might just sneak the Championship, whilst I cannae see us becoming SPL champions, even with the improvements JC has brought to the club.

I still think TM did a wonderful job for us, and will always be grateful to him for turning things round at ER. JC is making further improvements that bodes well for the future of our club.

SPOT ON ... I think JC is doing a great job and long may it continue.... cannae believe the amount of people who are coming out the woodwork and simply slagging off Mowbray and what he done for this club ... both on and off the park .... What Mowbray lacked in understanding of the fitness side of football " and its clear now that he did "... he more than made up for with the flair and excitement he had his teams playing with ..... And also the way he RAISED the profile of this proud club ...

And I for one am delighted and honoured to have witnessed TONY MOWBRAYS HIBERNIAN TEAMS .... And I am now just as proud if not prouder to be witness to JOHN COLLINS HIBERNIAN TEAM..

Next time you get a chance to speak to JC ask him his opinion of Mowbray ... He aint got a bad thing to say ...... So why the hell should the fans......

IMHO ....... MOWBRAY done a great job at ER ... and we are lucky enough to have got another great manager to have taken over from that great work and raise us to the next level...

GGTTH

andymcc · 15-10-07, 17:05

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SPOT ON ... I think JC is doing a great job and long may it continue.... cannae believe the amount of people who are coming out the woodwork and simply slagging off Mowbray and what he done for this club ... both on and off the park .... What Mowbray lacked in understanding of the fitness side of football " and its clear now that he did "... he more than made up for with the flair and excitement he had his teams playing with ..... And also the way he RAISED the profile of this proud club ...

And I for one am delighted and honoured to have witnessed TONY MOWBRAYS HIBERNIAN TEAMS .... And I am now just as proud if not prouder to be witness to JOHN COLLINS HIBERNIAN TEAM..

Next time you get a chance to speak to JC ask him his opinion of Mowbray ... He aint got a bad thing to say ...... So why the hell should the fans......

IMHO ....... MOWBRAY done a great job at ER ... and we are lucky enough to have got another great manager to have taken over from that great work and raise us to the next level...

GGTTH

Well said
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people have short memories, can't forget that mogga got us to europe in 3rd place so he couldnt have been too inconsistent

TattooedHibee · 15-10-07, 21:01

The regime under Collins has seen our squad alot more fitter and 90+ focused instead of 75-80mins focused. Without a doubt.

**CAPY888** · 15-10-07, 22:44

I will sing the name of every manager of who manages are great club and feel strongly about the fact I DID NOT want JC out during the revolt of last season. But it does not a mathematical genius to see the diference that the players have been making on the park.

Does anybody think that when we went to Europe and came third we had a stronger team then than the team we have now??
Remember I am not dishonouring Big Mowb cos am proud of the foto I have with him standin out side ER and loved it when we were in Europe just think JC Methods gets more out the players than Mowbrays did.

maw588 · 15-10-07, 23:10

I think they're both great managers but very different in style.

Mowbray was a great man manager but the other side of this coin was that he was a bit soft and this showed in the levels of fitness.

Collins is a tough disciplinarian insisting on the highest levels of fitness. I completely agree with him. I'm paying my hard earned cash and I expect these guys to live like professional athletes in return.
But Collins will never be able to relate to the players in the same way as Mowbray.

At the end of the day, managers have to play to their strengths and that's what they do.

As for Bobby Williamson - what were we thinking of?

Smurf · 16-10-07, 01:15

Different managers for different times.

Unlike Boaby Williamson who was a shite manager at all of the times..

**Bampotto** · 16-10-07, 04:38

Sorry to be a spoilsport since now JC is the best thing since Petric, but JC still makes a "Noel Hunt" of himself infront of the press time and time again. TM was an honest and dignified man and gained the respect of all but the Jams in Scotland.

Smurf · 16-10-07, 09:25

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Sorry to be a spoilsport since now JC is the best thing since Petric, but JC still makes a "Noel Hunt" of himself infront of the press time and time again. TM was an honest and dignified man and gained the respect of all but the Jams in Scotland.

What utter tosh.

**Steve20** · 16-10-07, 09:46

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Sorry to be a spoilsport since now JC is the best thing since Petric, but JC still makes a "Noel Hunt" of himself infront of the press time and time again. TM was an honest and dignified man and gained the respect of all but the Jams in Scotland.

Nonsense.

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mayo Baby Radge Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 7 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Collins and Mowbray It was suggested to me by someone that Hibs players seem fitter under Collins. What does everybody think and is there a difference between the two managers that has led to the current good form or is it down to players or what else? Has the fitness regime improved or is that nonsense?

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GforGallo Radge Private Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: here Age: 21 Posts: 1,759 vCash: 500 Thanks: 45 Thanked 56 Times in 31 Posts Rep Power: 7	Re: Collins and Mowbray id say there is and that its down to roger propos

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CAPY888 Knockout Radge Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Peebles Posts: 191 vCash: 500 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: Collins and Mowbray In my opionion Tony Mowb was of the old school of Football Managers. When Tony was doing pre season training he had them running laps round Arthurs seat then play 7's bak at the ground. Now obviosuly this will get your average Joe fit but for professional footballers this will not make them anymore fitter. John Collins is very much of the new School. He has always been at the top of his fitness and spending time in france made him even more health conscious. Even before he brought in Popos he was trying his hardest to get them even more fitter. The pre season now consists of Measured sprints gym work, Strenghening fitnes drills and a 7 day shedule in the build up to the season + John has put in strict dietary routines and food which is not allowed (remember the article in the son with Stewart claiming John went of his nut becuase he ordered a Ommlette in Marbella) In games ive noticed the players looking 100% fitter, tougher and mentally fit more than Tony Mowb had them. Even the fact we dont loose are bottle (touch wood) in games show mentall and physical fitness showing through. The boys would slog there guts out 4 60 mins against the old firm and the gunts only to switch off and loose pace with the game for teams to go on to win. How many times did that happen under Tony??? Anyway in answer to the question i Collins is the man and with time will be 10X the manager Mowbray will.

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cleanyman Baby Radge Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fife Posts: 45 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: Collins and Mowbray John Collins has simply done a fanrastic job so far, the players are far fitter than what they once were, we are now a team that can push and play for a full 90 mins, which we were severly lacking in under TM.

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Teebs Toddler Radge Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gilmerton Posts: 50 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 2	Re: Collins and Mowbray Its good to see that everyone is getting behind JC now. A few months ago most people wanted him out. Mowbray done a great job at Hibs and got the ball rolling by playing good football and bringing good young players through. It looks like Collins is continuing that and begining to take Hibs to the next level

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CAPY888 Knockout Radge Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Peebles Posts: 191 vCash: 500 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: Collins and Mowbray I will sing the name of every manager of who manages are great club and feel strongly about the fact I DID NOT want JC out during the revolt of last season. But it does not a mathematical genius to see the diference that the players have been making on the park. Does anybody think that when we went to Europe and came third we had a stronger team then than the team we have now?? Remember I am not dishonouring Big Mowb cos am proud of the foto I have with him standin out side ER and loved it when we were in Europe just think JC Methods gets more out the players than Mowbrays did.

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maw588 Toddler Radge Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunfermline Posts: 53 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 3	Re: Collins and Mowbray I think they're both great managers but very different in style. Mowbray was a great man manager but the other side of this coin was that he was a bit soft and this showed in the levels of fitness. Collins is a tough disciplinarian insisting on the highest levels of fitness. I completely agree with him. I'm paying my hard earned cash and I expect these guys to live like professional athletes in return. But Collins will never be able to relate to the players in the same way as Mowbray. At the end of the day, managers have to play to their strengths and that's what they do. As for Bobby Williamson - what were we thinking of?

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