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Hibs_Official · 24-07-07, 09:00

Hibernian is raring to go with now just under two weeks remaining before the opening Clydesdale...

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**©stretch** · 24-07-07, 09:55

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Hibernian is raring to go with now just under two weeks remaining before the opening Clydesdale...

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The grammar from the official site is astounding.

**SKII** · 24-07-07, 09:59

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Originally Posted by ©stretch

The grammar from the official site is astounding.

The articles are written as people would say things in casual lingo, not as they would be written. Grammar, punctuation and structure all over the shop.

**©stretch** · 24-07-07, 10:11

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Originally Posted by SKII

The articles are written as people would say things in casual lingo, not as they would be written. Grammar, punctuation and structure all over the shop.

But it's the media manager who's writing this. Surely he can do no wrong.

GalegoHibs · 24-07-07, 10:26

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Originally Posted by ©stretch

The grammar from the official site is astounding.

I know they make some shocking mistakes but I'd have to defend them on this occasion. In this situation you can use "are" or "is". In British English it's usually "are" but I wouldn't say "is" is incorrect or bad grammar. That's a bit like saying "realize" or "center" are spelt wrongly. They are alternatives. The site has been criticised (criticized) before for not running a spelling and grammar check. If they did run one on this occasion I suspect Microsoft would suggest "Hibernian is" because it's American.

**SkyeHibs** · 24-07-07, 10:36

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Originally Posted by ©stretch

The grammar from the official site is astounding.

Nothing changes but everything remains the same. New season same old poor standards. It is simply not good enough. Why Hibs put up with this shambles from a rank amateur heaven only knows. This job requires someone with media and writing skills.

**SkyeHibs** · 24-07-07, 10:37

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Originally Posted by GalegoHibs

I know they make some shocking mistakes but I'd have to defend them on this occasion. In this situation you can use "are" or "is". In British English it's usually "are" but I wouldn't say "is" is incorrect or bad grammar. That's a bit like saying "realize" or "center" are spelt wrongly. They are alternatives. The site has been criticised (criticized) before for not running a spelling and grammar check. If they did run one on this occasion I suspect Microsoft would suggest "Hibernian is" because it's American.

No we can't accept that. This is written for a Scots audience and he cannot hide behind microsoft or a PC spell/grammer check

GalegoHibs · 24-07-07, 10:49

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Originally Posted by LanarkHibs

No we can't accept that. This is written for a Scots audience and he cannot hide behind microsoft or a PC spell/grammer check

I'm not out to defend the site's poor standards which have been highlighted on numerous occasions. But take a look at this:

http://www.flo-joe.com/dcforum/DCForumID18/15.html

I'd agree with the point of view of no.3 and no.4.

Brainwrong · 24-07-07, 11:34

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Originally Posted by GalegoHibs

I know they make some shocking mistakes but I'd have to defend them on this occasion. In this situation you can use "are" or "is". In British English it's usually "are" but I wouldn't say "is" is incorrect or bad grammar. That's a bit like saying "realize" or "center" are spelt wrongly. They are alternatives. The site has been criticised (criticized) before for not running a spelling and grammar check. If they did run one on this occasion I suspect Microsoft would suggest "Hibernian is" because it's American.

No. They're American English not UK English which is the language of the reading audience as Lanark pointed out.

The whole thing just comes across as amateurish.

Brainwrong · 24-07-07, 11:37

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Originally Posted by GalegoHibs

I'm not out to defend the site's poor standards which have been highlighted on numerous occasions. But take a look at this:

http://www.flo-joe.com/dcforum/DCForumID18/15.html

I'd agree with the point of view of no.3 and no.4.

I'd say that technically it's OK to use is but in reality and in this specific situation you'd not find many folk using 'is' in place of 'are'. It doesn't really make sense due to the plural aspect of the statement.

GalegoHibs · 24-07-07, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Brainwrong

I'd say that technically it's OK to use is but in reality and in this specific situation you'd not find many folk using 'is' in place of 'are'. It doesn't really make sense due to the plural aspect of the statement.

I think we can agree on this which is basically the original point I was making. You wouln't find many folk in the UK using 'is' in place of 'are'. I would use 'are' myself, no question. Not sure about the plural aspect on the statement though.

Doesn't that depend on whether you look at it as Hibernian the club or Hibernian the individuals?

In any case we can all agree on the fact that "is" sounds a bit odd to the Scottish/British ear and that the club needs to get its finger out in terms of making the site look more professional.

**The Hibby Pirate** · 24-07-07, 12:57

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Originally Posted by GalegoHibs

I know they make some shocking mistakes but I'd have to defend them on this occasion. In this situation you can use "are" or "is". In British English it's usually "are" but I wouldn't say "is" is incorrect or bad grammar. That's a bit like saying "realize" or "center" are spelt wrongly. They are alternatives. The site has been criticised (criticized) before for not running a spelling and grammar check. If they did run one on this occasion I suspect Microsoft would suggest "Hibernian is" because it's American.

I don't think it's an English/American English thing.
"Is" is singular, "are" is plural.
Hibernian, the Club, is singular as in there is only one Hibernian FC
The supporters are plural as in We are Hibernian FC.....
So both is and are are correct, but the more commonly used would be "are".

Pedantry, don't you just love it?

Brainwrong · 24-07-07, 13:09

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Originally Posted by GalegoHibs

I think we can agree on this which is basically the original point I was making. You wouln't find many folk in the UK using 'is' in place of 'are'. I would use 'are' myself, no question. Not sure about the plural aspect on the statement though.

Doesn't that depend on whether you look at it as Hibernian the club or Hibernian the individuals?

In any case we can all agree on the fact that "is" sounds a bit odd to the Scottish/British ear and that the club needs to get its finger out in terms of making the site look more professional.

I agree with what you're saying to a certain extent but I think the use of 'is' is incorrect in that context.

Nothing to get too stressed about, I suppose.

**SKII** · 24-07-07, 13:24

The waters are muddied here by the use of Hibernian in the sentence - not the is/are debate per se.

Indeed we would write "Hibernian is a football club based in Edinburgh" and be perfectly correct to do so. Where the waters are muddied and the use of the term poor, is that the article is literally suggesting that the club (the entity) is preparing for forthcoming events instead of the STAFF of Hibernian. The club, per se, is not "raring to go" (what a cliche anyway). How can an inanimate thing do that?

The Hibernian manager and players OF COURSE could be described as being "rearing to go". (not raring - the term comes from a horse champing at the bit and rearing!)

Hibernian FC is a club...
The players of Hibernian FC are...

rearing not raring

And commas would be nice from time to time...

Better still, succinct sentences.

Cliched, hackneyed venacular.

lewisthehibee · 24-07-07, 13:40

I thought this was alan misses bolton test not slag some dunce for being crap at english

GalegoHibs · 24-07-07, 14:22

I take on board a lot that has been said about this. It is interesting to hear people's views on the subject. I know it's a pedantic matter but as both an English teacher and translator I can't help it.

I imagine this whole thing is pishing some people off, and maybe it's more of a cowshed type matter, but I'd also be interested to hear the views of anyone living in the States or Canada. Isn't it more common on the whole to hear Hibernian is..., New York Yankees is a baseball team, etc. over there? Wouldn't "Hibernian are gearing up for the new season" or whatever, sound a bit strange across the pond? (Substitute Hibernian for team of choice as I imagine any talk about Hibs on the streets would sound strange over there)

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The original point of the thread, that some/much of the writing on the official site is sub-standard, is a valid one. But maybe the club should PAY for an editor. If it is written and edited by volunteers, as I suspect, I don't think you can criticise too much. If the editor is paid then there is no excuse.

**©stretch** · 24-07-07, 16:55

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Originally Posted by GalegoHibs

The original point of the thread, that some/much of the writing on the official site is sub-standard, is a valid one. But maybe the club should PAY for an editor. If it is written and edited by volunteers, as I suspect, I don't think you can criticise too much. If the editor is paid then there is no excuse.

I'm not getting into the nouns,plurals, and verbs debate, as I'm to thick, or is that too thick.

The points is, the guy that runs the site picks up a wage for this.

He should be embarrassed
to take a wage with some of the grammar, and punctuation mistakes he makes.

I've probably made mistakes in this wee rant. But I'm doing this for pleasure, not a wage.

He can be contacted here.

Stuart Crowther
New Media Manager
scrowther@hibernianfc.co.uk

Tel: 0131 656 7085

**Jamie** · 24-07-07, 17:01

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Stuart Crowther
New Media Manager
scrowther@hibernianfc.co.uk

Tel: 0131 656 7085

IIRC he was appointed some months ago,when are they going to drop the "New" part or is this to protect him so he can say "ach i'm new,be kind"

**©stretch** · 24-07-07, 17:17

Heres another wee point I missed first time around. http://www.hibs.co.uk/Admin.php

Top right. Supporter Communictions & Media

Is it £30'000 per annum he gets.

GalegoHibs · 24-07-07, 17:30

Thanks for the info Stretch and Jamie. That obviously puts a quite different slant on things.

As you say it is one thing for us to be making mistakes on this forum and quite another for someone who is getting paid good money not to pick them up and do a bit of editing. Maybe he thinks all Hibs fans are ulliterat.

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SKII Administrator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Right here, right now Posts: 7,292 Casino cash: £22225 vCash: 10000 My Mood: Thanks: 18 Thanked 39 Times in 31 Posts Rep Power: 39	Re: Alan misses Bolton test The waters are muddied here by the use of Hibernian in the sentence - not the is/are debate per se. Indeed we would write "Hibernian is a football club based in Edinburgh" and be perfectly correct to do so. Where the waters are muddied and the use of the term poor, is that the article is literally suggesting that the club (the entity) is preparing for forthcoming events instead of the STAFF of Hibernian. The club, per se, is not "raring to go" (what a cliche anyway). How can an inanimate thing do that? The Hibernian manager and players OF COURSE could be described as being "rearing to go". (not raring - the term comes from a horse champing at the bit and rearing!) Hibernian FC is a club... The players of Hibernian FC are... rearing not raring And commas would be nice from time to time... Better still, succinct sentences. Cliched, hackneyed venacular. __________________

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GalegoHibs A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: May 2007 Location: Galiza Age: 38 Posts: 2,191 Casino cash: £7905 vCash: 10000 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Rep Power: 8	Re: Alan misses Bolton test Thanks for the info Stretch and Jamie. That obviously puts a quite different slant on things. As you say it is one thing for us to be making mistakes on this forum and quite another for someone who is getting paid good money not to pick them up and do a bit of editing. Maybe he thinks all Hibs fans are ulliterat.