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***PILTONSTANY*** · 19-05-07, 09:50

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HibeePaddy · 19-05-07, 09:55

To be honest i'm already against Petrie. Yes he has done alot of good work for the club to remove our debt but he seems to struggle to realise that these record season ticket sales hes so proud of wont continue if the team on the park is no good. Same with the building of a new east stand, it wont be full if the team isnt any good. Just sometimes I think that he should consider the footballing side of the club ahead of the business side.

Greenmachine · 19-05-07, 10:16

This article just reaffirms my suspicions that Petrie is far from convinced about John Collins, and has doubts about his ability to take the club forward. Glenn Gibbons is probably the best and most respected sports writer in Scotland, and if he has felt it accurate enough to print an article as worrying as this, then I really do think we should treat it with some respect and credibility. He will have have reliable contacts from within the club and from other sources, I have no doubt about that.

As for Petrie himself, I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a major dressing down from STF over the way the player revolt was handled. It did not reflect at all well on the club, and Farmer will not have been happy about the bad publicity it generated as well as the fact that thousands of Hibs fans went from a major high on March 18th ( a game Tom Farmer attended with all of his family), to a huge let down for the rest of the season.

An interesting few weeks ahead methinks.....
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***PILTONSTANY*** · 19-05-07, 10:17

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To be honest i'm already against Petrie. Yes he has done alot of good work for the club to remove our debt but he seems to struggle to realise that these record season ticket sales hes so proud of wont continue if the team on the park is no good. Same with the building of a new east stand, it wont be full if the team isnt any good. Just sometimes I think that he should consider the footballing side of the club ahead of the business side.

Why would the team be no good on the park?
We've tried various youngsters in the last 7 or 8 games and it hasnae really worked but when else in the season do you give them their chance?
There was a dressing room revolt,Folk have to take into account the massive impact this will have had on our team recently,Judge JC next May.

August will be the time to judge Rodney as we'll know if new signings,stand development etc have been announced.

I do believe as a club we are being readied for sale.

**Greenman** · 19-05-07, 11:10

If heads are to roll over the recent unrest at ER then it should be Petries not Collins, I'm sure there a a few more number crunchers out there who could do an equaly decent job with the club finance as admittedly Petrie has, however a bit more focus on financing a winning team on the park would be welcome. Petries handling of the players v collins affair was, and still is appalling his lack of official comment on the issue embarrasing. Petrie has as about as much personality as a wet growbag. IMHO he has now served his purpose therefore Farmer should now get rid and replace him.

To coin the phrase "He has taken the club as far as he can".
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Gav · 19-05-07, 12:12

Petrie is and never has been a football man, that much is clear. I've never been able to understand the people who think he is some sort of financial wizard, if selling a bit of land and all your best players (after first fucking it up by letting payers leave for peanuts) is financial genius then I and virtually anyone could do the same job and not take a huge salary at the same time. Lets not forget the financial position we were in was also overseen by the mustachioed prick.

its obvious Petrie is hanging Collins out to dry...no backing, no transfer budget, a cowardly and frakly embarassing handling of the player revolt etc etc.

Its time this cancer in our club was cut out.

PETRIE GTF!
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1875steve · 19-05-07, 12:35

I notcie in the article it says we are expecting an operating profit of £500,000-£700,000. I would have thought it was more than that??

CIS cup run, Scottish cup run, record ST's, record strip sales etc etc.

Also they mention that the Hibs board could be losing confidence in Collins.
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stevieboi · 19-05-07, 12:37

To be blatantally honest i dont know if i am for or against Petrie.

Firstly surely a man that has managed to get our debt down fro £16 odd milion pound to what now should only be a couple of million should be loked highly upon from us?

On the other hand i can see why people are against him. The day he said we are in no rush to sell Brown, only 24 hours later he was a Celtic player. Its not just Brown sometimes surely he has to say, am i just not making them better. How he can expect Jc to give us success when he constantly lets our best players go i do not know.

***PILTONSTANY*** · 19-05-07, 12:55

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On the other hand i can see why people are against him. The day he said we are in no rush to sell Brown, only 24 hours later he was a Celtic player. Its not just Brown sometimes surely he has to say, am i just not making them better. How he can expect Jc to give us success when he constantly lets our best players go i do not know.

Once it became clear that Brown wanted to join Celtic,What other option did he have but to sell him straight away?
Instead of a drawn out affair with mibbe the Huns bidding higher on the last day meaning we can't spend any of the money,It's done and dusted and now we can give JC the summer to bring in a few players with whatever funds are available to him.

stevieboi · 19-05-07, 13:00

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Once it became clear that Brown wanted to join Celtic,What other option did he have but to sell him straight away?
Instead of a drawn out affair with mibbe the Huns bidding higher on the last day meaning we can't spend any of the money,It's done and dusted and now we can give JC the summer to bring in a few players with whatever funds are available to him.

Fair point Pilton, i was just pointing out that he made himself look a bit of an erse and the club also i thought. I mean if Celtic like they say wanted Brown as much as they did, Rod could have simply said we are rejecting it in terms of what is right for our club. From January to now all you have seen in the papers and on message boards is that so and so are now interested. Also even if it was only Reading that had bid for Brown, were not even finished the domestic season yet and al ready it is agreed. I just think Rod could have held of for at least a couple of weeks. Brown is the best youngster in the country and there would be no question that clubs would come back in for him.

***PILTONSTANY*** · 19-05-07, 13:10

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Brown is the best youngster in the country and there would be no question that clubs would come back in for him.

Without doubt BUT you can't make a player join a team he doesn't want to join.
He wanted to join Celtic (No uprooting to another country,Bird is happy and is near family) We can call it bottling it all we want but he's gonna earn £25,000 a week by simply heading West each day instead of East and at his age he still has ample time to move on if he wants to.
Which everway his career goes from now on he's set for life.

***SlovSam*** · 19-05-07, 13:17

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This article just reaffirms my suspicions that Petrie is far from convinced about John Collins, and has doubts about his ability to take the club forward. Glenn Gibbons is probably the best and most respected sports writer in Scotland, and if he has felt it accurate enough to print an article as worrying as this, then I really do think we should treat it with some respect and credibility. He will have have reliable contacts from within the club and from other sources, I have no doubt about that.

As for Petrie himself, I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a major dressing down from STF over the way the player revolt was handled. It did not reflect at all well on the club, and Farmer will not have been happy about the bad publicity it generated as well as the fact that thousands of Hibs fans went from a major high on March 18th ( a game Tom Farmer attended with all of his family), to a huge let down for the rest of the season.

An interesting few weeks ahead methinks.....
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That's my thoughts as well especially when the writer is 'Gibbo' Gibbens then you can be sure a lot of senior people at Hibs have been spoon feeding him some wee titbits.

I think a major showdown is looming between Mr Petrie and JC as JC must still be seething the way Mr Petrie hung him out to dry during the 'players revolt'
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Often in football it's not what you say but what you Don't say that gives the game away and we are still all waiting for the comical tosh about ''JC being the boss and the man for the job and we as a board are backing him all the way'' that some fans seem to lap up as gospel.
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The Murphy and Whittaker sales won't probably have happen until later next season anyway but Mr Petrie will be praying for once that nobody pops in a £750,000 bid in the summer as that would really put him to the test.
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as Hibs need players far more than they need money.

So far though it's very obvious he isn't convinced about JC as 6 months have elasped and he has been given nothing for players when it's very obvious even prior to the Broon money Hibs are absolutely rolling in the stuff.

If JC was a bit more savvy he could issue a 'back me or sack me' ultimatium as he has probably got enough goodwill still to get away with it
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However JC possibly believes the myth himself that 'Hibs are a wee club who have to pay their bills' and have no money for players as there are still enough journalists and supporters out there who haven't yet moved on from the financial problems of the mid nineties and early noughties which gave rise to Staitongate I and II.

**Bartok** · 19-05-07, 13:25

As far as Rod Petrie goes, I have no problem with his handling of the sales of Thomson and Brown. Both players wanted to go and at least we got money for them this time; very good money too. Petrie has brought the club forward financially to the point where we must be one of the healthiest around.

My biggest concern about Petrie is the lack of money being made available for replacement players. We simply cannot replace he likes of Scott Brown without spending some dosh. The side is crying out for experienced players and the only way to get them is to offer competitive wages. At the moment we are not doing that.

This article isn't based on fantasy, unfortunately. I believe it is an accurate portrayal of the situation at the club right now. John Collins has made some serious mistakes in his first months here, I'm clear on that. But I do think he is learning and will continue to back him, as I think he can take us forward. But if he is to do that he needs some cash.

Yes, I do think the club is being readied for sale, I have thought this for a while. Frankly I am ok with that, if it means a change from this miserly over-prudence that is holding us back.

**Purple & Green** · 19-05-07, 15:20

If an article in todays scotsman is to be believed maybe not...

***Dub*** · 19-05-07, 16:00

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If an article in todays scotsman is to be believed maybe not...

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At the core of the unease is the perceived intransigence of Collins, an inflexibility that allegedly makes no concessions to the possibility that, in his handling of certain aspects of the job, he may have made errors of judgment. The players' main gripes over his training methods, it is believed, stem from the lack of variety and the over-emphasis on physical conditioning at the expense of coaching.

Itake it you refer to this Bobby. Full of uncertainties that piece dont you think. It reeks of filling newspaper space without any actual official knowledge of the state of play....and its not even the retard
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Greenmachine · 19-05-07, 16:29

I don't think he does have the backing of the board, but it's only my opinion. I hope he does, and they give him decent backing in the transfer market. I doubt it somehow though.

My feeling is that Petrie and the board have maybe realised that they have maybe taken a gamble too far in appointing another untried manager, and one who has been out of football for three years. The events of the last two months have probably compounded that feeling. Coupled with that we have Tommy Craig more or less running the training everyday, and IMO he has had a huge input into the tactics in the last few months. The players seem very unhappy with the lack of variety in the training and the over emphasis on fitness rather than tactics and individual coaching, and if you have an unhappy and dispirited workforce you are never going to get the best out of them

I want JC to be given a chance. I like the guy, and I feel he deserves the support of the board in order to try to create a winning team. The board should have the bravery to have to back their own judgement. I hope the board give him the time to build his team and set his own standards. Like every other manager however, he will live or die on results alone. If we do not get off to a decent start next season and his signings are not shaping up, he will be in trouble.

FWIW I think Glenn Gibbons article in the Scotsman has pretty much hit the nail on the head as far as the current situation stands with our club. As a highly respected journalist in a major Scottish newspaper, he would not have written such an article without some pretty accurate soundings from people in the know at the club.

***Smurf*** · 19-05-07, 16:57

Been obvious that there's perhaps a problem for a good six weeks now...

Reading the Scotsman this morning i was kind of alarmed at how casually it was dropped in the piece..
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Eden_Hibby · 19-05-07, 18:24

we,ll soon know after the game tomorrow

Hibeewilly · 19-05-07, 19:11

There has been a problem of the players making in my opinion. JC has changed the training hopefully for the players to attain a higher level of fitness. Diets are a major part of the game now as players become more like athletes. The manager will turf the troublemakers out at the end of the season and go on and become a great manager for Hibs. :YAYYY::YAYYY::YAYYY::YAYYY::YAYYY::YAYYY:

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Greenmachine A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Edinburgh Age: 44 Posts: 4,661 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 11 vCash: 5000 Arcade Stats:	Re: Selling another Hibs player would turn fans against Petrie This article just reaffirms my suspicions that Petrie is far from convinced about John Collins, and has doubts about his ability to take the club forward. Glenn Gibbons is probably the best and most respected sports writer in Scotland, and if he has felt it accurate enough to print an article as worrying as this, then I really do think we should treat it with some respect and credibility. He will have have reliable contacts from within the club and from other sources, I have no doubt about that. As for Petrie himself, I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a major dressing down from STF over the way the player revolt was handled. It did not reflect at all well on the club, and Farmer will not have been happy about the bad publicity it generated as well as the fact that thousands of Hibs fans went from a major high on March 18th ( a game Tom Farmer attended with all of his family), to a huge let down for the rest of the season. An interesting few weeks ahead methinks..... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. __________________ Today is a gift, that's why it's called the present.

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