What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? - HibeesBounce.com

oo2beahibby · 14-05-07, 16:20

I'm genuinely interested in hearing what others have to say on this crucial matter.

Tibs · 14-05-07, 16:22

Players. Decent goalkeeper, striker, a couple of experienced defenders/midfielders.

**Bartok** · 14-05-07, 16:26

I wouldn't want to see cash chucked about for transfer fees. There will be some decent players available if we can offer them decent wages, and that's where the money should be spent IMO. It sounds like we will need virtually a new team.

Smurf · 14-05-07, 16:30

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Originally Posted by oo2beahibby

I'm genuinely interested in hearing what others have to say on this crucial matter.

We must remember that this potential money is in addition to the £2 Million banked in Jan from the sale of KT when Rod Petrie had told us before this sale that our finances were "Rock solid".

Lets say we get £3 Million for SB (i don't believe these £5.5 Million figures being quoted) then i'd like to see £1.2 Million of it given to sign three experienced players on £4K per week over 2 years.

I'd like to see a more relaxed wage structure for more experienced players such as Jackie McNamara or Christain Dailly who IMO would be great signings..

So to answer the question a not insignificant amount to go towards an increase in the salary budget.

oo2beahibby · 14-05-07, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Smurf

We must remember that this potential money is in addition to the £2 Million banked in Jan from the sale of KT when Rod Petrie had told us before this sale that our finances were "Rock solid".

Lets say we get £3 Million for SB (i don't believe these £5.5 Million figures being quoted) then i'd like to see £1.2 Million of it given to sign three experienced players on £4K per week over 2 years.

I'd like to see a more relaxed wage structure for more experienced players such as Jackie McNamara or Christain Dailly who IMO would be great signings..

So to answer the question a not insignificant amount to go towards an increase in the salary budget.

I agree with your sentiments Kenny, and it's where I cast my vote, but my only concern in this scenario is the possibility of further mutiny if the existing squad find out incoming players are being paid more than the current structure allows.

supastar · 14-05-07, 16:36

What we would like to happen to Scott's transfer fee and what in reality is going to happen are two very different things.

I've long ago given up on the idea of Hibs buying players for a fee and willing to break the wage structure.

**TattooedHibee** · 14-05-07, 16:55

Hibernian will be around alot longer than the current team, playing staff and coaching staff. With the money situation currently blossoming at Easter Road I would like to see this invested in a new stand and upgrade all facilities - Training ground, Ticket office, clubstore.
This in itself will increase revenue long term but it will make sure that all the foundations and building plans are completed and any further income in the future can be concentrated solely on footballing matters.

How will Hibs finances look in 10-20 years time? Will it be viable enough to upgrade all these musts at this point? Something that has to be taken into consideration.

Smurf · 14-05-07, 16:56

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Originally Posted by oo2beahibby

I agree with your sentiments Kenny, and it's where I cast my vote, but my only concern in this scenario is the possibility of further mutiny if the existing squad find out incoming players are being paid more than the current structure allows.

We already have a situation where some players are being paid more than others though..

Beuzelin will be getting paid a lot more than Stevenson. I think we all know who contributes more..

I think it's normal within some clubs for some players to be paid more than others..

Lets say Stevenson was being paid more than Beuzelin and Beuzelin found out and kicked up hell. I'd be saying C'Ya..

Just found myself here highlighting Beuzelin in particular but that's probably because i've reached the conclusion he's not good enough. 6 performances a season is not good enough..

However, i get your point and agree!

**TranentHibee** · 14-05-07, 16:57

I picked option 4 but I don't want the salaries to be increased to the point where we become like Hearts but just increased a little so we cdan attract a slightly higher standard of player.

Smurf · 14-05-07, 17:02

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Originally Posted by TattooedHibee

With the money situation currently blossoming at Easter Road I would like to see this invested in a new stand and upgrade all facilities - Training ground, Ticket office, clubstore.

This is great in principle for the longer term but IMO would be an absolute disaster in the short term.

It would IMO inevitably lead to lack of quality and quantity in the squad. Bottom six with the possibility of being sucked into a possible relegation dog fight (We're not much better at this moment than the relegated Dunfermline..) would all be possible next season.

Slump in gates back down to a 9000 average and the progress of 2004, 2005 & 2006 well and truly binned.

**alnewhaven** · 14-05-07, 17:03

Voted 2 as increasing wage budget might also help us retain players.

**JamieHibby** · 14-05-07, 17:07

Option 2

I think in this day and age of Bosmans large transfer fees for a club of Hibs size and income isn't really the way to go. I would however like to see a substantial increase in the wage structure, IMO that is the very least we must do to attract a decent quality of player.

IIRC the recommended ratio of wages to turnover was no more than 60%, we are currently at something like 42% With a further increase in turnover this season that % is sure to be even lower. That IMO leaves a fair bit of room for manoeuver.

**SlovSam** · 14-05-07, 17:16

I think we could start by putting the 'Scottie millions' into perspective.

£3.5m lets say for Broon has to be added to the £2m for TweedleDumber money which has to be added to the £2m of profit which Hibs will generate from the increased attendances and the Cup runs achieved this year.

This means Hibs through player trading and operating profit have generated between £7.5 to £8m in a single year which is quite breathtaking and a huge feather in the cap of Mr Petrie.

What is also breathtaking is that periodically JC comes out with intelligence insulting drivel that 'there is no money for players'

which is a quite staggering claim to be made and if he is just mouth piecing what he is told to say by Mr Petrie then as season ticket holders and supporters we should be gravely concerned.

Clubs release good players for transfer fees and good players come to clubs for good money

and good signing on fees

not because Edinburgh Castle is really really pretty or Hibs fans are the bestest in the whole wide wide world

and unless Hibs address this then they will get exactly the type of players they deserve.

oo2beahibby · 14-05-07, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Smurf

This is great in principle for the longer term but IMO would be an absolute disaster in the short term.

It would IMO inevitably lead to lack of quality and quantity in the squad. Bottom six with the possibility of being sucked into a possible relegation dog fight (We're not much better at this moment than the relegated Dunfermline..) would all be possible next season.

Slump in gates back down to a 9000 average and the progress of 2004, 2005 & 2006 well and truly binned.

Sorry, should have said like for like players, i.e., Stevenson/McCann, Boozy/Sproule. We're singing from the same hymnsheet though

**Greenman** · 14-05-07, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Smurf

Lets say Stevenson was being paid more than Beuzelin and Beuzelin found out and kicked up hell. I'd be saying C'Ya..

I like that, could we not just make it up and get rid of the french tart

Smurf · 14-05-07, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Greenman

I like that, could we not just make it up and get rid of the french tart

As i said on a previous thread P his half a dozen good performances a season are of no use..

IMO it's time..

HibeeJibee · 14-05-07, 19:11

The training complex is already paid for. Use the money from Scotty, Murphy and Whitty to clear some of the real debt (roughly £6.5M) and rebuild the East Stand, which needs to be done before planning permission runs out. A new stand will earn income for decades to come, which can support the wage and transfer budget for all of those decades. Give a man a transfer fee and he can feed his team for a year - give a man a new stand and he can feed himself for a lifetime. See, biblical importance this one.

**GloryGlory** · 14-05-07, 19:12

The money has to be invested in the team. Petrie has to remember unless there is a decent team on the pitch then the fans will leave again. Season tickets are looking good for next season but a bottom 6 finish will soon have the fans staying at home.

Obviously its vital that we keep giving youngsters a chance so we can sell them on for good fees, but without some experienced and quality players in the team we really will struggle.

**TattooedHibee** · 14-05-07, 19:13

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Originally Posted by HibeeJibee

The training complex is already paid for. Use the money from Scotty, Murphy and Whitty to clear some of the real debt (roughly £6.5M) and rebuild the East Stand, which needs to be done before planning permission runs out. A new stand will earn income for decades to come, which can support the wage and transfer budget for all of those decades. Give a man a transfer fee and he can feed his team for a year - give a man a new stand and he can feed himself for a lifetime. See, biblical importance this one.

The basic facilities have been paid for but to complete the project as a whole mair' money needs to be pumped in.

HibeeJibee · 14-05-07, 19:20

I suggest the next stage of the Training Complex should be the "specialised training facilities, e.g. goalkeeping". Going by recent performances, we need it really badly!!!!

stevie · 14-05-07, 19:22

Voted to improve the facilities, but don't believe it is an either/or. If we get £5.5M, that plus the Thomson money, plus the cup money, I think there is some scope to improve the player budget (not drastically, but maybe enough to get in a couple of experienced quality players), in tandem with investing in the training ground and East stand.

View Poll Results: How should we be spending all this spare cash?
Keep things as they are player budget wise, and invest in a new East Stand and the training ground?	10	12.50%
Continue to work the Bosman market, but increase the salaries on offer?	38	47.50%
Spend in the transfer market whilst keeping the player budget at the same levels?	11	13.75%
Spend in the transfer market and increase the player budget?	21	26.25%
Voters: 80. You may not vote on this poll

14-05-07, 16:20	#1
oo2beahibby Hibsterical Radge Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Braidwood, Lanarkshire Age: 42 Posts: 2,996 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 9	What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? I'm genuinely interested in hearing what others have to say on this crucial matter. __________________ Clydesdale Bank Premier League Table 06 October 2007 16:54 1 Hibernian 9 9 21 2 Celtic 8 21 19 3 Rangers 9 15 19 4 Dundee Utd 9 4 16 5 Hearts 9 1 14 6 Motherwell 9 -1 13

14-05-07, 16:22	#2
Tibs A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,249 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 5	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? Players. Decent goalkeeper, striker, a couple of experienced defenders/midfielders.

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Bartok The artist formerly known as Dixie Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: back home Posts: 13,955 My Mood: Thanks: 10 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts Rep Power: 25	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? I wouldn't want to see cash chucked about for transfer fees. There will be some decent players available if we can offer them decent wages, and that's where the money should be spent IMO. It sounds like we will need virtually a new team. __________________

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TattooedHibee Radge Private Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Artful Dodger. Posts: 6,521 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Rep Power: 16	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? Hibernian will be around alot longer than the current team, playing staff and coaching staff. With the money situation currently blossoming at Easter Road I would like to see this invested in a new stand and upgrade all facilities - Training ground, Ticket office, clubstore. This in itself will increase revenue long term but it will make sure that all the foundations and building plans are completed and any further income in the future can be concentrated solely on footballing matters. How will Hibs finances look in 10-20 years time? Will it be viable enough to upgrade all these musts at this point? Something that has to be taken into consideration. __________________ Students! Feck Che Guevara, Hail King Sauzee!

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TranentHibee Rant In E-Minor Radge Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tranent Age: 23 Posts: 1,589 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 4	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? I picked option 4 but I don't want the salaries to be increased to the point where we become like Hearts but just increased a little so we cdan attract a slightly higher standard of player.

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alnewhaven Radge Private Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Edinburgh Age: 50 Posts: 1,488 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? Voted 2 as increasing wage budget might also help us retain players.

14-05-07, 17:07	#12
JamieHibby Alba Gu Brath Radge Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dùn Èideann, Alba Age: 36 Posts: 3,101 My Mood: Thanks: 120 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts Rep Power: 10	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? Option 2 I think in this day and age of Bosmans large transfer fees for a club of Hibs size and income isn't really the way to go. I would however like to see a substantial increase in the wage structure, IMO that is the very least we must do to attract a decent quality of player. IIRC the recommended ratio of wages to turnover was no more than 60%, we are currently at something like 42% With a further increase in turnover this season that % is sure to be even lower. That IMO leaves a fair bit of room for manoeuver. __________________

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SlovSam Radge Flag Owner and Private Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Usually Edinburgh. Posts: 2,959 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 12	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? I think we could start by putting the 'Scottie millions' into perspective. £3.5m lets say for Broon has to be added to the £2m for TweedleDumber money which has to be added to the £2m of profit which Hibs will generate from the increased attendances and the Cup runs achieved this year. This means Hibs through player trading and operating profit have generated between £7.5 to £8m in a single year which is quite breathtaking and a huge feather in the cap of Mr Petrie. What is also breathtaking is that periodically JC comes out with intelligence insulting drivel that 'there is no money for players' which is a quite staggering claim to be made and if he is just mouth piecing what he is told to say by Mr Petrie then as season ticket holders and supporters we should be gravely concerned. Clubs release good players for transfer fees and good players come to clubs for good money and good signing on fees not because Edinburgh Castle is really really pretty or Hibs fans are the bestest in the whole wide wide world and unless Hibs address this then they will get exactly the type of players they deserve. __________________ 'Football is the most important of life's least important things' Ariggo Sachi. Last edited by SlovSam; 14-05-07 at 18:19.

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HibeeJibee A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 3	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? The training complex is already paid for. Use the money from Scotty, Murphy and Whitty to clear some of the real debt (roughly £6.5M) and rebuild the East Stand, which needs to be done before planning permission runs out. A new stand will earn income for decades to come, which can support the wage and transfer budget for all of those decades. Give a man a transfer fee and he can feed his team for a year - give a man a new stand and he can feed himself for a lifetime. See, biblical importance this one.

14-05-07, 19:12	#18
GloryGlory Radge Private Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Edinburgh Age: 21 Posts: 2,648 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 7	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? The money has to be invested in the team. Petrie has to remember unless there is a decent team on the pitch then the fans will leave again. Season tickets are looking good for next season but a bottom 6 finish will soon have the fans staying at home. Obviously its vital that we keep giving youngsters a chance so we can sell them on for good fees, but without some experienced and quality players in the team we really will struggle. __________________

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HibeeJibee A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 3	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? I suggest the next stage of the Training Complex should be the "specialised training facilities, e.g. goalkeeping". Going by recent performances, we need it really badly!!!!

14-05-07, 19:22	#21
stevie Toddler Radge Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Here Posts: 119 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 7	Re: What would WE like to see happen with Scottie's millions? Voted to improve the facilities, but don't believe it is an either/or. If we get £5.5M, that plus the Thomson money, plus the cup money, I think there is some scope to improve the player budget (not drastically, but maybe enough to get in a couple of experienced quality players), in tandem with investing in the training ground and East stand.