When do you think Hibs will next win the SPL?

[am_moroccan]

Realistically

With the season almost over now, nothing to play for apart from 5th Place and an Edinburgh derby, when will it be Hibs' turn to celebrate like Celtic did . Jc said 4 years if we put a selling ban on so what do you think?

[Smurf]

Not realistic within our current wage cap but probably not as unrealistic as some may think if there was a bit more budget..

[stevieboi]

I voted for 50 - 100 years, but as long as the Ugly firm stay in this league with the fees that they pay etc we will never win the league imo. We simply dont have the depth of a massive squad. We have the best batch of young players in Scotland by miles but like Scott Brown they will all leave.

Going in the past, imagine our team if it still had Gary O'Connor and dare i say it Deek.

We would need a reliable millionaire to put funding into the team that could boost JCs budget and a rise in players wages. But until this happens i'm content with doing it the hard way just to show how crap the OF are.

[SoulBamRab]

Hmm i said 2-3 years perhaps wishful thinking but hey

[Brainwrong]

I know saying 'if' is a load of pish but, if we had more consistency we'd be up there with Celtic this season and the past few under Mowbray. We score as many goals as they do but we also let in the most (probably in Britain). Not as bad this season mind, but could be better.

[am_moroccan]

many voted for more than 100 years, aww re u disappointed that much. we got CIS cup and reaching the semi final in the other cup.. and maybe 5th in the SPL.. do u think we need more than 100 yers to move from 5th to 1st...a
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be optimistic men.

[maw588]

We don't have a chance until something dramatic changes. Maybe we'll be bought by someone rich and ambitious but hopefully not mad (20/1 against). Maybe the financial structure of the game will change for the better (30/1 against). Maybe the OF will FO to England (10/1 against).
The one thing that keeps me hoping is that if you look at history, there's been plenty of twists and turns in football in the past, so you never know what's in the future.

[Spleesh]

i voted 5 to 7 years, depending on our crop of youngsters......
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If we can hold onto players instead of being a selling club then anything can happen

but that has to happen first
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[IHATEHEARTS1875]

Never. The reason being for example Killen. We didnt even offer him more than a year and thats our top scorer. Unless we get bought from someone with a bit of ambition then it wont happen.

[FTJT]

last season we were in the title race at christmas, and fell away because of an awful winter period. this squad, right now, isnt capable of that; a better one, with a couple more years maturity, with JC in charge? I reckon we've got a good tilt two years from now, and beyond.

[THE GAZZETTE]

When the hibs go up to lift the scottish cup we'll be dead ,we'll be dead.Heard this on the train back from semi against D.u'td 2years ago,unfortunately i think the same can be said of a league title.

[1875steve]

For us to win the league we need a sugar daddy.

We need money to give players wage rises, ie Brown, Latapy, Thomson, Murray, Agathe, Laursen, Murphy, Doumbe, Whittaker, O'Connor, Riordan, Miller etc etc.

They went because we didn't have the funds ad they knew they would have a decent chance of medals aswell.

Whenever we start to build a team it get's plundered because we don't have the funds to keep it together. Then on top of that we need quality players to add to it.

Imagine if we had kept together our squad from the last what?? 3-4 years??

Andersson
Colgan
McNeil

Whittaker
McCann
Jones
Doumbe
Caldwell
Hogg
Murphy
Stevenson
Murray

Zemmama
Thomson
Brown
Sproule
Boozy
Stewart
Sproule
Rocastle
Shiels

Benji
O'Connor
Riordan
Killen
Fletcher

Add to that youngsters like Gray, Chisholm, Grof etc etc and it's bloddy frightening how good we COULD have been.

That right there is a title winning squad imo.

Add to that the players we lost the couple of season before that like Sauzee, Latapy, Laursen, De La Cruz, Lovell, Miller, Agathe and it's bloddy annoying!
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[psychocandy]

I firmly believe that in 15 years time hibernian will be a far bigger club then they are now, but perhaps more importantly that the purchasing power of the gruesome two-some along the M8 will be diminished. We're building for the future (training ground, new east stand?) and with any luck these investments will bear fruit.

[am_moroccan]

i see that half of hibs fan re not optimistic about the future.
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[Greenmachine]

Always an interesting discussion point, here's my tuppence worth :

Hibs should always at the start of every season, make a statement of intent saying that they intend to try to win the championship. That in itself should send a positive and motivational message to the players, fans, and the media. It would also show some real ambition.

However...the reality as it stands is :

1/ Hibs are simply not big enough as a club to win the league. Our turnover of about £8 Million a year is dwarfed by the Old Firm. Our fan base is too small, and we simply don't generate enough finance to fund the kind of players needed to sustain a league challenge.

2/ The league structure of the SPL means it is a shoe-in for Rangers and Celtic to contest the league every season. There too few teams in the SPL meaning they have fewer teams to beat. The SPL was created for the benefit of the Old Firm, the Setanta deal was struck in order to benefit the Old Firm. They have massive influence on public life in Scotland, and they have the benefit of sectarianism on Scotland to fund their ambitions. Sectarianism is the lifeblood of both Rangers and Celtic, always has been. It is why they are as big as they are.

3/ Some people do not agree with this, but it is what I believe: Both Rangers and Celtic have a desire for success, a winning mentality, and an expectation level which is totally unmatched in the rest of the SPL. For me, this is even more significant than the financial gap.

but........on a more positive note.

Hibs can certainly help themselves by trying to build the club up to maximise it's potential. The positive signs are that they are at long last doing so
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The East Mains Training Centre is a massive step forward for us. A new East Stand will increase the capacity of Easter Road to our benefit. However, football wise, we have to try to reach a standard and not alow ourselves to fall below it. I want Hibs to becone a club with a strong winning mentality. I think John Collins wants the same. We must continue to have a strong youth policy, and to sign players of good quality to the club. We must maintain our committment to attacking, entertaining football to draw the crowds.

On a more general note, I have concerns for the future of Scottish Football unless there is a change in attitude from the people who run the game..

I think within the next 10 years there will have to be a change in the way that TV money and sponsers money is divided out. This will have to happen IMO because so many clubs on a poor financial footing will start to really toil because fans will eventually stop buying season tickets and going regularly to games because they are going to get totally fed up with the OF winning the League every season. Once you destroy hope, you destroy everything. I think the American system of equal distribution of income generated from thr league will have to come in otherwise the game in Scotland will die a slow death
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[Hibee Kev]

Originally Posted by Greenmachine
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Always an interesting discussion point, here's my tuppence worth :

Hibs should always at the start of every season, make a statement of intent saying that they intend to try to win the championship. That in itself should send a positive and motivational message to the players, fans, and the media. It would also show some real ambition.

However...the reality as it stands is :

1/ Hibs are simply not big enough as a club to win the league. Our turnover of about £8 Million a year is dwarfed by the Old Firm. Our fan base is too small, and we simply don't generate enough finance to fund the kind of players needed to sustain a league challenge.

2/ The league structure of the SPL means it is a shoe-in for Rangers and Celtic to contest the league every season. There too few teams in the SPL meaning they have fewer teams to beat. The SPL was created for the benefit of the Old Firm, the Setanta deal was struck in order to benefit the Old Firm. They have massive influence on public life in Scotland, and they have the benefit of sectarianism on Scotland to fund their ambitions. Sectarianism is the lifeblood of both Rangers and Celtic, always has been. It is why they are as big as they are.

3/ Some people do not agree with this, but it is what I believe: Both Rangers and Celtic have a desire for success, a winning mentality, and an expectation level which is totally unmatched in the rest of the SPL. For me, this is even more significant than the financial gap.

but........on a more positive note.

Hibs can certainly help themselves by trying to build the club up to maximise it's potential. The positive signs are that they are at long last doing so
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The East Mains Training Centre is a massive step forward for us. A new East Stand will increase the capacity of Easter Road to our benefit. However, football wise, we have to try to reach a standard and not alow ourselves to fall below it. I want Hibs to becone a club with a strong winning mentality. I think John Collins wants the same. We must continue to have a strong youth policy, and to sign players of good quality to the club. We must maintain our committment to attacking, entertaining football to draw the crowds.

On a more general note, I have concerns for the future of Scottish Football unless there is a change in attitude from the people who run the game..

I think within the next 10 years there will have to be a change in the way that TV money and sponsers money is divided out. This will have to happen IMO because so many clubs on a poor financial footing will start to really toil because fans will eventually stop buying season tickets and going regularly to games because they are going to get totally fed up with the OF winning the League every season. Once you destroy hope, you destroy everything. I think the American system of equal distribution of income generated from thr league will have to come in otherwise the game in Scotland will die a slow death
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Quality post mate. I totally agree about the issuing of a statement of intent. What harm would it do? It costs us nothing to do it, apart from maybe a wee bit credibility. Take, dare I say it, the example of Hearts last season. The one thing is hate is a defeatist attitude. I remember Craig Brown while he was Scotland manager saying we would never win a World Cup. I just thought, 'what a load of pish, why not? we have a similar population to Holland and you wouldn't say that about them!'

I reckon we'll win it in the next 4 seasons, got to be positive!
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[egb_hibs]

in it's current form, no one will ever win the SPL except celtic and rangers.

the only way hibs or anyone else could win the league, barring a rantic departure darn sarf, would be in a 16 or 18 team league where you played each other twice. the change in the proportion of points you'd need to take of the weegies would make it just about doable. but the rest of the teams would never go for it.

the point is, they are unmatchable in terms of resources. but if you can build a side better than all the other teams. if you do this, you just need to beat them once at home, and nick a result or two away. that's just about doable. right now more than 21% of points up for grabs, are in games against the OF. in an 18 team league it would be 11%

[gackohibs]

it CAN be quite realistic in the near future IMO.
with debt pretty much a think of the past and attendances way up. With of course a more than likely new east stand and training centre, our only real problem is our inconsistency against the smaller teams.
Rangers and celtic can always seem to scrape the points no matter how bad they play. including a usual bias referee at most games.

if hibs can get the points against the smaller teams, then we can do it in the near future.

just hope the scottish cup is priority number one!!

[Seven Tattoos]

I'm surprised that no one else has done this soooooooooooo, can I be really pedantic and point out the very obvious fact that we've never actually won the SPL? We last won the First Division Championship (the the top tier of Scottish football) in 1951-52. We last seriously competed for it about twenty years later. Since the Premier Division (now, effectively, the SPL) was inaugurated in 1975-76 we've sustained a challenge for the title, although seasons 1993-94, 1994-95, 1997-98 and 2000-01 saw us top the table and in three of those four seasons we did look like challengers. Albeit the challenge fizzled out before Christmas.

Taking Greenmachine's point about the size of the league, I agree totally; there would be far more chance of Hibs (or another 'big' Scottish club, possibly hertz or sheep) winning the title if we had a 16 or 18 team league. You would then only have four games against the OF and could probably afford to lose them all assuming your record against everyone else was good. I've been banging on about this issue since 1986 and it greatly disappoints me that the chairmen of ourselves, hertz and sheep do not force this issue. None of Scotland's three big clubs need the OF's support visiting twice. We're actually cutting our own throats and increasing our chances of demotion. Look at the current table and add, say, Dundee, St Johnstone, Morton, Raith, Ayr and even Airdrie. All these clubs come from sizeable enough towns that could sustain top division football. And I'd rather go there than two trips to the Lodge or the Beggars' Banquet. Or Swinie or the sheepdip for that matter.

So to conclude, there is no way in the reign of pigshit Hibs will win the league ever again. And I don't think any kunt else (outside the OF) will either. That's the harsh reality of it.

[sKipper]

Originally Posted by am_moroccan
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Realistically

With the season almost over now, nothing to play for apart from 5th Place and an Edinburgh derby, when will it be Hibs' turn to celebrate like Celtic did . Jc said 4 years if we put a selling ban on so what do you think?

'Selling ban' being the operative words. Looking down the messageboard today seems to suggest we'll never win it then because there appear to be a few on the way and many Hibs fans don't even seem to mind
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[kennyc]

like I think at start of most seasons...............this is our year.
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[James.g]

Maybe i'm a bit more optimistic than most cause i think we can win it in not too distant future, now i'm not saying we will but rantic aint that good as has been proved this season. Its all ifs and buts, but were would we be if alot of the keepers mistakes had been cut out this season, i'm talking about the fecking blunders by all 3 and i'm not getting on about young AM as he's done a good job since he came in but i cant help thinking that if we had a half descent keeper then those mistakes for want of a better word just would not have happened, we would certainly be in about 2nd place the now, add to that if killen had not got injured or we had a similar type player then those games were we created plenty but ended with nothing thats more points in the bag, i know alot of teams can easily say the same things about thereselves but no1 else has had anywhere near the crisis we have had in goal or had to depend on so many youngsters like hibs have, IMO the futures looking good down E/R way. Also wish hibs yams sheep dumpdee killie and the rest would just stand up to the infirm and tell them we are having a 16 team league, what the feck could they do about it? threaten to leav