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[SlovSam]

JC's transfer moves are really going to make or break him as a manager as Martis gave no impression of someone who is ready to last a full 36 games a season alongside Jones though nor does 'wee Hoggy' who can be 'relied upon' to give away a goal every 2/3 games.
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Martis has the height,
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he has the strength
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and he has been reasonably well coached to try to play the ball on the ground and out of defence
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but he makes rash judgements and crucially lacks confidence at the best of times and when he is playing badly this lack of confidence becomes self destructive.
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The spine of any team is crucial and it's no coincidence that Aberdeen and Hearts have better central defensive combinations than Hibs.

[Greenman]

Originally Posted by Bob1875
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Greenman, I seem to remember you having it in for Beuzy quite a bit. Do you praise him when he's played well ie Cup final & numerous other games just after he came back from injury???????
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Just a question.

No never praised him yet I dont rate the french tart one bit too much fancy stuff and could not tackle a pie supper, as Forza highlighted his fcuking about cost Hibs the second goal yesterday, how good was he at Dunfermline.? how good was he in the first semi.? same answer pish !! I personally hope he is not playing on Tuesday and is replaced with Deano. If he left next Wednesday I for one would not miss him in fact I'd go out and buy the laddie Walker from Livingston who could replace his fancy dan stuff with a bit of grit, determination, and a fair smattering of football skills. each to their own eh!! boabster.
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[Bob1875]

Originally Posted by Greenman
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No never praised him yet I dont rate the french tart one bit too much fancy stuff and could not tackle a pie supper, as Forza highlighted his fcuking about cost Hibs the second goal yesterday, how good was he at Dunfermline.? how good was he in the first semi.? same answer pish !! I personally hope he is not playing on Tuesday and is replaced with Deano. If he left next Wednesday I for one would not miss him in fact I'd go out and buy the laddie Walker from Livingston who could replace his fancy dan stuff with a bit of grit, determination, and a fair smattering of football skills. each to their own eh!! boabster.
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I'll admit he is a very frustrating player, IMO he's either absolute pish or class. On his day he's one of the most gifted footballers I've ever seen at ER, pity he has as many "mares" as he does off days. Aye each to their own.
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[18-Ally-75]

Originally Posted by Fraz-1875-
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he could of cost us the game by letting the ball roll aross the face of goal twice
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With his luck though they could've ended up in the back of the net
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[hibs1989]

He isnt this bad for christ sake! He is a hibs player at the end of the day! and will still get behind him!

[crabit]

This was a backs to the wall performance and Martis was to the fore in that respect - we wouldn't have got the draw without him - we would have been trounced in fact.

[Decal Joe]

Originally Posted by SlovSam
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The spine of any team is crucial and it's no coincidence that Aberdeen and Hearts have better central defensive combinations than Hibs.

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Not sure about that!

I thought the spine of the team was GK, a CH, a CM and a CF
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I'd agree that if you have a very strong player in each of those positions you'll do OK!

Aberdeen have Anderson who is a better defender than any of the 3 we can select from but I wouldn't think that Diamond and the like are any better, Hearts haven't got a better pairing in fact I'm not sure if they have a pairing at all, isn't it usually Berra plus one other (btw Pressley and Webster have left! they were a strong pairing)

[crabit]

While a couple of monkeys could have managed to produce a more intelligent contributiuon, it would appear that the football analysis in this thread consists of -

"Donkey
P*sh
Sell him now
Gash
One of the worst
He let the ball bounce
He was a bomb scare
He doesn’t understand ‘get it the f*ckaway’
He isn’t half indecicive (sic)
GASH is certainly the word
Seems to be totally lost unless Jones is by his side babysitting him
No Martis had a bit of a 'mare the sooner he learns to just clear the ball and not wait for it to bounce the better.On another day he could have cost us a couple of goals
hes a close run up of konte maybe even zibby
utter garbage
check my posts he is hibs worst ever,even worse than murdock,he ball watches and ends up going for same ball(as quoted above)AS JONES OR HOGG. He should maybe try wasps or harlequins as his kicking to touch is 100% accurate at all times,only trouble would be all the knock ons when he tries to control it.

F!CKIN ABSOLUTE TOLLIES !!!!!!!!
When he deflected Mackies shot on to the post (sic - the concept of sentences appears to be beyond this particular poster!)

(That was as far as I could read I'm afraid without throwing up - I just don't have David Attenborough's patience when dealing with lower life forms)

[jennstrng]

I watched this game on Setanta and I can honestly say that I did not rate Martis at all. You were wary each time he got near the ball wondering what cock up he was going to do with it this time. I know that on some occasions he has played ok this season but others he has looked very nervous and not confident on the ball at all like yesterday. I was actually half expecting another OG from him but thank goodness that never happened. I don't know if we should necessarily get rid of him or it is just that he needs a lot of work. Certainly yesterdays performance was not good.

[Forzahibs]

Originally Posted by crabit
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While a couple of monkeys could have managed to produce a more intelligent contributiuon, it would appear that the football analysis in this thread consists of -

"Donkey
P*sh
Sell him now
Gash
One of the worst
He let the ball bounce
He was a bomb scare
He doesn’t understand ‘get it the f*ckaway’
He isn’t half indecicive (sic)
GASH is certainly the word
Seems to be totally lost unless Jones is by his side babysitting him
No Martis had a bit of a 'mare the sooner he learns to just clear the ball and not wait for it to bounce the better.On another day he could have cost us a couple of goals
hes a close run up of konte maybe even zibby
utter garbage
check my posts he is hibs worst ever,even worse than murdock,he ball watches and ends up going for same ball(as quoted above)AS JONES OR HOGG. He should maybe try wasps or harlequins as his kicking to touch is 100% accurate at all times,only trouble would be all the knock ons when he tries to control it.

F!CKIN ABSOLUTE TOLLIES !!!!!!!!
When he deflected Mackies shot on to the post (sic - the concept of sentences appears to be beyond this particular poster!)

(That was as far as I could read I'm afraid without throwing up - I just don't have David Attenborough's patience when dealing with lower life forms)

I can only speak for my "let the ball bounce" comment , ask anyone who coaches defenders this is a no no

[Hibee_Lisa]

Originally Posted by crabit
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While a couple of monkeys could have managed to produce a more intelligent contributiuon, it would appear that the football analysis in this thread consists of -

"Donkey
P*sh
Sell him now
Gash
One of the worst
He let the ball bounce
He was a bomb scare
He doesn’t understand ‘get it the f*ckaway’
He isn’t half indecicive (sic)
GASH is certainly the word
Seems to be totally lost unless Jones is by his side babysitting him
No Martis had a bit of a 'mare the sooner he learns to just clear the ball and not wait for it to bounce the better.On another day he could have cost us a couple of goals
hes a close run up of konte maybe even zibby
utter garbage
check my posts he is hibs worst ever,even worse than murdock,he ball watches and ends up going for same ball(as quoted above)AS JONES OR HOGG. He should maybe try wasps or harlequins as his kicking to touch is 100% accurate at all times,only trouble would be all the knock ons when he tries to control it.

F!CKIN ABSOLUTE TOLLIES !!!!!!!!
When he deflected Mackies shot on to the post (sic - the concept of sentences appears to be beyond this particular poster!)

(That was as far as I could read I'm afraid without throwing up - I just don't have David Attenborough's patience when dealing with lower life forms)

with exception of the celtic game Martis has been crap!! he is not good enough 3 own goals in his first season with us constant mistakes how can you defend him?

[crabit]

Originally Posted by xoxhibees
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with exception of the celtic game Martis has been crap!! he is not good enough 3 own goals in his first season with us constant mistakes how can you defend him?

I assume that any conversation defending him would have been along the lones of#

"he is crap"
"he isnae crap"
"he is.....

I can relate to proper footballing analysis, the kind that Murdo McCloed gives, but I can't relate to stupid prattle.

For a start this isn't a sentence - "with exception of the celtic game Martis has been crap!! he is not good enough 3 own goals in his first season with us constant mistakes how can you defend him?".

[SlovSam]

Originally Posted by Decal Joe
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Not sure about that!

I thought the spine of the team was GK, a CH, a CM and a CF
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I'd agree that if you have a very strong player in each of those positions you'll do OK!

Aberdeen have Anderson who is a better defender than any of the 3 we can select from but I wouldn't think that Diamond and the like are any better, Hearts haven't got a better pairing in fact I'm not sure if they have a pairing at all, isn't it usually Berra plus one other (btw Pressley and Webster have left! they were a strong pairing)

Your right the spine of the team is as described and my brilliant first post acknowledged that, disected the merits of the Aberdeen and Hearts central defence and central midfield and goalkeepers in comparison to Hibs and concluded that 'Wee Hoggy' and Martis were the most obvious weaknesses in either of the three teams.
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Unfortunately I notice two of the paragraphs have disapeared into cyberspace so you will have to take my word for it but honest guv it was really great stuff.
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[crabit]

Originally Posted by SlovSam
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Your right the spine of the team is as described and my brilliant first post acknowledged that, disected the merits of the Aberdeen and Hearts central defence and central midfield and goalkeeprs in comparison to Hibs and concluded that 'Wee Hoggy' and Martis were the most obvious weaknesses in either of the three teams.
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Unfortunately I notice two of the paragraphs have disapeared into cyberspace so you will have to take my word for it but honest guv it was really great stuff.
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"Either of the three teams"? If defenders shouldn't make mistakes then surely posters should try to do likewise, if they are to have any credibility I mean.

[Hibee_Lisa]

Originally Posted by crabit
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I assume that any conversation defending him would have been along the lones of#

"he is crap"
"he isnae crap"
"he is.....

I can relate to proper footballing analysis, the kind that Murdo McCloed gives, but I can't relate to stupid prattle.

For a start this isn't a sentence - "with exception of the celtic game Martis has been crap!! he is not good enough 3 own goals in his first season with us constant mistakes how can you defend him?".

the problem is with you only your opinion counts! you arent willing to listen to anyone else all you say is that we cannot give proper analysis and like you can? yeah right saying Martis is a good player says it all !

[crabit]

I am listening - so say something!! Other than pish I mean - footballing stuff! That was implicit in my post but you declined to engage. Simple bland assertions don't get you very far I'm afraid.

[SlovSam]

Originally Posted by crabit
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"Either of the three teams"? If defenders shouldn't make mistakes then surely posters should try to do likewise, if they are to have any credibility I mean.

Aren't Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts three teams
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though Hearts can probably double up with FC Kaunas.
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[crabit]

Originally Posted by SlovSam
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Aren't Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts three teams
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though Hearts can probably double up with FC Kaunas.
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If there were three choices then you should have said "any of" rather than "either of" - sorry for being short but I am somehwat despairing with all the anti-Martis crap that is being touted around just now.

[Hibee_Lisa]

Originally Posted by crabit
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I am listening - so say something!! Other than pish I mean - footballing stuff! That was implicit in my post but you declined to engage. Simple bland assertions don't get you very far I'm afraid.

the only one who has been talking pish is you! oh but how could you be with your expert analysis im mean surely you are the only one who is right! NOT

[SlovSam]

QUOTE=crabit;622091]If there were three choices then you should have said "any of" rather than "either of" - sorry for being short but I am somehwat despairing with all the anti-Martis crap that is being touted around just now.[/quote]



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Execution at Dawn methinks
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