Why did Petrie agree to meet the players ?

[Greenmachine]

This is the question I have been asking myself for the last couple of days, and i still cannot work it out. It is also what worries me the most about this whole sordid affair.

The players concerned knew Collins was going to be out of the country on Monday, so by all accounts they have had a secret meeting amongst themselves, then requested a meeting with the chairman. Why did Petrie agree to this meeting? He knew JC was out of the country, so he should have just said no to the players, then informed the manager that some of his players were wanting to speak to him about apparent "problems" with the managers methods.

I can't imagine John Collins being very happy about his chairman agreeing to meet with players, and him having "no knowlege about any meeting". I don't think we are being told half of the real reasons as to why these players felt it necessary to have a secret meeting with Rod Petrie about the manager. It will certainly be more than just to do with personality clashes, extra training, or squad rotation IMO. In fact, i cannot think of another club where players have felt so bad about a situation that they have felt the need to do this behind the managers back, maybe other can.

What really concerns me is that despite his strong reassuring words and defiance today, if JC feels he is being undermined or has lost the respect of the senior players in the dressing room, he may decide enough is enough at the end of the season. He doesn't need the money. This would be a disaster for Hibs as Collins has done an excellent job so far IMO, and has started the process of creating a winning mentality at the club.

Please get this sorted out pronto Hibs.

[k.manson]

maybe cause petrie is not to be trusted .

back stab ye no probs

never liked the man,just dont trust him to be honest. ......he is and always has been farmers yes man.

[GibbytheHibby]

Maybe Petrie called the players in to get it sorted? Maybe not.

Thing is - IF players are making noises - it would be better to get them in, listen to their points - then tell them to get back to their F***ing jobs and stop bitchin'! Better than letting it fester.

[Decal Joe]

Originally Posted by Greenmachine

This is the question I have been asking myself for the last couple of days, and i still cannot work it out. It is also what worries me the most about this whole sordid affair.

The players concerned knew Collins was going to be out of the country on Monday, so by all accounts they have had a secret meeting amongst themselves, then requested a meeting with the chairman. Why did Petrie agree to this meeting? He knew JC was out of the country, so he should have just said no to the players, then informed the manager that some of his players were wanting to speak to him about apparent "problems" with the managers methods.

I can't imagine John Collins being very happy about his chairman agreeing to meet with players, and him having "no knowlege about any meeting". I don't think we are being told half of the real reasons as to why these players felt it necessary to have a secret meeting with Rod Petrie about the manager. It will certainly be more than just to do with personality clashes, extra training, or squad rotation IMO. In fact, i cannot think of another club where players have felt so bad about a situation that they have felt the need to do this behind the managers back, maybe other can.

What really concerns me is that despite his strong reassuring words and defiance today, if JC feels he is being undermined or has lost the respect of the senior players in the dressing room, he may decide enough is enough at the end of the season. He doesn't need the money. This would be a disaster for Hibs as Collins has done an excellent job so far IMO, and has started the process of creating a winning mentality at the club.

Please get this sorted out pronto Hibs.

I've not got a problem with him meeting them!

If you've got a grievance you speak to your Boss, unless the grievance is with your Boss, then you speak to his Boss!

Happens in every walk of life all the time!

Better than not letting them get it of their chests and having more problems build up ie an unsympathetic Chairman to add to the 'useless Manager!

[Decal Joe]

Originally Posted by GibbytheHibby

Maybe Petrie called the players in to get it sorted? Maybe not.

Thing is - IF players are making noises - it would be better to get them in, listen to their points - then tell them to get back to their F***ing jobs and stop bitchin'! Better than letting it fester.

That's an easier way of saying it!

[scaredyhibby]

Originally Posted by Greenmachine

This is the question I have been asking myself for the last couple of days, and i still cannot work it out. It is also what worries me the most about this whole sordid affair.

The players concerned knew Collins was going to be out of the country on Monday, so by all accounts they have had a secret meeting amongst themselves, then requested a meeting with the chairman. Why did Petrie agree to this meeting? He knew JC was out of the country, so he should have just said no to the players, then informed the manager that some of his players were wanting to speak to him about apparent "problems" with the managers methods.

I can't imagine John Collins being very happy about his chairman agreeing to meet with players, and him having "no knowlege about any meeting". I don't think we are being told half of the real reasons as to why these players felt it necessary to have a secret meeting with Rod Petrie about the manager. It will certainly be more than just to do with personality clashes, extra training, or squad rotation IMO. In fact, i cannot think of another club where players have felt so bad about a situation that they have felt the need to do this behind the managers back, maybe other can.

What really concerns me is that despite his strong reassuring words and defiance today, if JC feels he is being undermined or has lost the respect of the senior players in the dressing room, he may decide enough is enough at the end of the season. He doesn't need the money. This would be a disaster for Hibs as Collins has done an excellent job so far IMO, and has started the process of creating a winning mentality at the club.

Please get this sorted out pronto Hibs.

I couldn't get my head round this either. In fact I was starting to lean towards a theory of journos adding 2+2 and making 13 if you know what I mean. Could the meeting have been about some other issue (player bonuses for example) and during these bonus discussions some other players"opinions" were aired , grew arms and legs and before you know it we have a crisis at ER!!!!
I guess I just find it strange that Rod would meet the players with an agenda involving gripes about the manager without JC being there

[wee 162]

I'm not keen on Petrie, but tbh I think if players are asking to see him then he has to listen to what they are going to say. Lets have a guess and say that the players are worried about no effective line of communication between them and the manager, and what they feel is too harsh discipline (lets say players are getting fined a weeks wages for getting booked for example) being imposed.

As long as he listened to what they had to say, then went to Collins and discussed the issues raised I don't think it's a problem.

[Bartok]

If the players asked to meet him, Rod Petrie was duty-bound to see them. There is no implication of his undermining JC by doing so. They asked him to hear them out and he really had no reason not to. No doubt he and JC have discussed matters raised by the players but I really don't see any sinister implications in this at all. JC is Petrie's choice to boss the team after all, not Mickey Stewart.

[Deeks Second Coming]

This whole things stinks of the West Coast Press.......Could this have anything to with Celtic playing pish just now and they see Hibs a as a real threat......

[egb_hibs]

i agree with DC. any management chain has to allow this sort of thing to protect against abuses.

however the usual protocol is that those who skip a management tier better have a feckin good reason for doing so or a) they'll be laughed out of town and b) they'll damage themselves.

the senior mgr (RP) in this case, will if he's worth his salt, use the meeting to reinforce the chain of command and fire a warning shot across the bows of the restless ones - unless there are substantive grievances, which is highly unlikely.

there is just the possibility though that while JC might be 'right' and older head like RP might need to coach him a wee bit on the art of pragmatism. being right ain't always the only thing that counts.

john might be better holding fire on some fronts till he's isolated the fannys rather than risking others being drawn in in the heat of the moment.

[CJRRHibs]

I think that RP will have had meetings with players in the last few years on various occasions only this time someone's leaked that this was a showdown meeting.
TM used to say that he and RP discussed things all the time, I presume JC has these discussions with RP also.
Certain journalists want to get as much mileage out of this as possible. Don't want to bury my head in the sand and become a jambo-esk but IMO this is getting blown out of proportion which will suit some. Whoever it is I hope they get what they want, fortunately I don't think it will be Hibs.

GGTTH

[Smurf]

IMO JC should have been at this meeting.

[SlovSam]

I believe JC put forward a quote that he had 'no knowledge' of the players meeting the Chief Executive which if true means that he is being undermined on two fronts.

Firstly and obviously by the players who have little trust or confidence in JC for whatever reason and secondly by a chairman who common sense tells you must have known what the meeting was about in advance but still went ahead with it but deliberately failed to tell the manager.

All the time this little 'coup de tat' was taking place the manager was out of the country and everyone knew he was going to be out of the country

This is a very serious situation in any organization but when the players are very obviously leaking the details to 'friendly' media voices so that it becomes public property then ego's become inflated, feelings are trampled on and passions are inflamed which if you through this into the mix with thick and dim witted footballers and an arrogant self confident manager then you can't help but think the worse is still to come.

The only thing that is not true is that the Daily Record,The Sun,The Daily Mail,The Express, The EEN, The Scotman, The BBC and the Radio boys are all making this up because they don't like Hibs and want to help Celtic

It's just a cracking and completely unprecedented story only topped this season by the Riccarton 3.

[HutchieHibee]

I think as the general manager of the club, he HAD to meet the players...

if somebody has a problem with their boss, they naturally take their complaint to the next "line manager" so I would say Rod was right to hear them out

if only to be reassured that they were talking pish and the football manager he and his board had employed wasn't doing anything wrong...

IF everything on the playing side was a big disaster I would have hoped that Petrie and the board would have listened to the players complaints and if justified acted on them...

[Pilrig]

The employees werenae happy with the gaffer, so they went to the boss as is their right in any enlightened company...and the boss telt them to fuck off as is his right.

Doon the road at the end of the season, chumps !

HIBS FOR THE CUPS - BELIEVE !

NAE DISUNITY AT HAMPDEN

[Pilrig]

Originally Posted by k.manson

maybe cause petrie is not to be trusted .

back stab ye no probs

never liked the man,just dont trust him to be honest. ......he is and always has been farmers yes man.

Of course he is Farmer's man, that's hardly rocket science. But what makes you think Rod and STF would back the revolting players against a man who has brought the club success.
Had the malcontents been Kwikfit mechnics when Tom was in charge their feet wouldnae have touched the ground !

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by Pilrig

Had the malcontents been Kwikfit mechnics when Tom was in charge their feet wouldnae have touched the ground !

Like the end of their Ads when the jumped in the air?

[k.manson]

Originally Posted by Pilrig

Of course he is Farmer's man, that's hardly rocket science. But what makes you think Rod and STF would back the revolting players against a man who has brought the club success.
Had the malcontents been Kwikfit mechnics when Tom was in charge their feet wouldnae have touched the ground !

who are you...... farmers love child

[Croxleyhibby]

Originally Posted by k.manson

who are you...... farmers love child

The correct way to handle this in this 'pink and fluffy' world of HR would have been to have the players, the manager, some note takers and Petrie as the boss in one meeting to air all grievances, discuss them through and reach agreement of a way forward.

Not to hold secret meetings with one party not privy to what is being said

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by Croxleyhibby

The correct way to handle this in this 'pink and fluffy' world of HR would have been to have the players, the manager, some note takers and Petrie as the boss in one meeting to air all grievances, discuss them through and reach agreement of a way forward.

Not to hold secret meetings with one party not privy to what is being said

Exactly. Petrie shouldn't have met the players on his own but certainly not when the manager never knew and was out the country.

[GibbytheHibby]

Originally Posted by Smurf

Exactly. Petrie shouldn't have met the players on his own but certainly not when the manager never knew and was out the country.

But we don't know that Collin's wasn't aware. He said he didn't know ..but manager's have to lie sometimes to stop the leeches that are the press from sucking blood! TM lied about Garry O going to Moscow for one - do you really expect that he'd come out and say we are trying to line him up with a great move for him but that we'll likely be weakened for the semi-final of the Scottish if we get there?

As has been said - Petrie had / has an obligation to meet with any employee if there are questions if disharmony. What is debatable - is ho w he handles it and whether he chooses to make Collins privvy to the info from that meeting.

No probs with RP here - and given that JC is still in the position of manager - My take is that he's doing OK for now.

[douglasl]

have you noticed today how the whole story has calmed down in the press from two days ago when they were saying collins job was on the line. My take on it is the whole thing was blown out of proportion because the sports news in almost non existing at the moment so any story they could run with is better than nothing-i bet the journo's can hardly believe how far they got with this one.