It's not JC who will go

[Bartok]

Nice wee piece by Alan Patullo.

http://sport.scotsman.com/topics.cfm...9&id=553762007

[maguire1875]

Excellent article. I hope this is all part of the process of trying to toughen up Hibs as a football team and squad.
I remember seeing a picture of Kevin Thomon clowning around with his jersey over his head on a training run, when the transfer stuff was at it's peak, I thought he might have problems with JC.
I think JC respects our club totally and is making some of the tough decisions other before him did not make (i.e. Zibi)
Hibs are on the up!

[Norwayhibs]

Excellent article

[Brainwrong]

Good article. What did Mowbray's fave; Mikey Stewart win? And now Collins is attempting to make these players better with employing a bit more effort they take a hissy fit. Immature fuckwits.

[Pilrig]

Good to see the board backing the manager (unlike bottling re Franck, ok that's water long gone under the bridge) , well done mouser !


Hibernian FC- love it or leave it !


HIBS FOR THE CUPS - BELIEVE !


NAE VLAD AT HAMPDEN

[Smurf]

Good piece.

[mintie]

Originally Posted by Dixie Chicken

Nice wee piece by Alan Patullo.

http://sport.scotsman.com/topics.cfm...9&id=553762007

Easily impressed....... Mr Patullo is merely demonstrating the arrogance of a middle class boy who professes to know about football but really doesn't get what it going on here. Not a very surprising article really. Just goes to show that not all sports journalists are the sharpest tools in the box. Mr Patullo is a good example of a very blunt chisel indeed.

He certainly does NOT have the interest of Hibs at heart. Remember - stirring up trouble helps his organisation to sell its rag.

Great believer in freedom of speech, but think some of those slagging off our players on this site should ask themselves - if they worked in an organisation where they felt that their management team wasn't listening to problems presented to them by their professional staff (in this case, team rotation bringing instability and uncertainty and training methods focusing in an unbalanced way on fitness at the expense of skills, tactics and practising set pieces, etc) what would they do? Not enough to have a superfit team and then tell them to just get out and play.

Those who care would surely seek to raise their concerns and, if felt so frustrated that just not being listened to or even being victimised by an inexperienced manager for expressing their concerns, are ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED in raising their concerns at a higher level. Managers as well as players need to listen and learn.

Don't think it helps for this discussion to be played out through some of the media half-wits who are merely seeking to make a buck from this story though....

[Naked Chef]

Originally Posted by Dixie Chicken

Nice wee piece by Alan Patullo.

http://sport.scotsman.com/topics.cfm...9&id=553762007

[quote=Pilrig;615419]Good to see the board backing the manager (unlike bottling re Franck, ok that's water long gone under the bridge) , well done mouser !


That article should be placed underneath each strip in the dressing room.



Hibernian FC- love it or leave it !

Now that's a quote!!

[mintie]

[quote=Naked Chef;615438]

Originally Posted by Pilrig

Good to see the board backing the manager (unlike bottling re Franck, ok that's water long gone under the bridge) , well done mouser !


That article should be placed underneath each strip in the dressing room.



Hibernian FC- love it or leave it !

Now that's a quote!!

OR BETTER STILL - IN THE BIN.

[southfieldhibby]

Some might even be peeved at Collins' ability to show them what he wants done with the ball, and his own fitness

I reckon this is what it comes down to.JC will still be able to train as hard as the players and he'll be a better player than most of them will ever be.Coupled with his attitude of a winner he's bound to be disliked by a few.

I agree with the writer though, only one winner and its Collins.Petrie will never back players who intend leaving in the summer anyway over a manager he picked himself not ever a year ago.

[mintie]

Originally Posted by southfieldhibby

Some might even be peeved at Collins' ability to show them what he wants done with the ball, and his own fitness

I reckon this is what it comes down to.JC will still be able to train as hard as the players and he'll be a better player than most of them will ever be.Coupled with his attitude of a winner he's bound to be disliked by a few.

I agree with the writer though, only one winner and its Collins.Petrie will never back players who intend leaving in the summer anyway over a manager he picked himself not ever a year ago.

The best players don't always make the best managers do they? It takes a little more than that to cut it as a top manager. Hopefully, Collins will listen and learn from this whole experience...perhaps people skills not football skills are what is missing here???

[Bartok]

Originally Posted by mintie

The best players don't always make the best managers do they? It takes a little more than that to cut it as a top manager. Hopefully, Collins will listen and learn from this whole experience...perhaps people skills not football skills are what is missing here???

Perhaps a team of dedicated professionals who do as their manager asks is what is missing here?

[mintie]

Originally Posted by Dixie Chicken

Perhaps a team of dedicated professionals who do as their manager asks is what is missing here?

Dedicated professionals don't stop being dedicated professional overnight...Something else gone wrong here.

[beefy]

It was the players that gifted St Mirren a point not JC.We had the game won till a defensive mistake let them in.6 changes were made and if we had won the game everyone would be saying well done JC,resting senior players against a lowly outfit seemed fair enough to me.
As for the Dunfermline game the team that played is probably the team that will take to the park this Sunday(except Chisholm)and they werent good enough.Its the players who should have a look at themselves regarding these games and not be moaning to all and sundry that JC is arrogant.So what if he is?I couldnt care if he was like a mad sergeant major,if it gives these players a kick up the backside which they deserve then more power to him.
He is not there to win popularity contests with players he's there to win things for Hibs.

[southfieldhibby]

Originally Posted by mintie

The best players don't always make the best managers do they? It takes a little more than that to cut it as a top manager. Hopefully, Collins will listen and learn from this whole experience...perhaps people skills not football skills are what is missing here???

Very true, but having a manager who can actually still get out and show the players what he wants is great imo.I think JC leaves quite a bit of the people skills to Tommy Craig much like Mowbray did with Venus.

[mintie]

Originally Posted by beefy

It was the players that gifted St Mirren a point not JC.We had the game won till a defensive mistake let them in.6 changes were made and if we had won the game everyone would be saying well done JC,resting senior players against a lowly outfit seemed fair enough to me.
As for the Dunfermline game the team that played is probably the team that will take to the park this Sunday(except Chisholm)and they werent good enough.Its the players who should have a look at themselves regarding these games and not be moaning to all and sundry that JC is arrogant.So what if he is?I couldnt care if he was like a mad sergeant major,if it gives these players a kick up the backside which they deserve then more power to him.
He is not there to win popularity contests with players he's there to win things for Hibs.

...And we will only win things CONSISTENTLY if we are getting the best out of our players. It's not rocket science really. Football training - not just fitness training. Tactics and preparation - not just telling people to 'get out and play'.

[Boogy]

I seem to remember a similar 'mini-revolt' at Arsenal when Arsene Wenger took over and started implementing stricter training regimes, diet-plans, fitness programmes etc. etc. at Arsenal and some of the old gaurd weren't too keen and raised concerns....

Now, I am not for one minute comparing Hibs to Arsenal, but I definitely think that opposed to the typical 'get fit, get stuck in' Scottish Manager i.e Yogi Hughes, Jefferies, Calderwood et.al, John Collins might have completely different ideas about how the game should be played and has DEFINITELY brought a more continental style with him to the club, which IMO can only be a good thing.

I think it's a case of the fringe players not happy about having to put the extra work and not seeing any results e.g 'what's the point in putting all this effort in if ah'm no gettin' a game?'. What they probably don't realise is that even if they ARE NOT getting a game at Hibs, the training they are undertaking at the moment may prolong their earning ability by a good few seasons??? In other words - stop fkng moaning or GTF.

[mintie]

Originally Posted by Boogy

I seem to remember a similar 'mini-revolt' at Arsenal when Arsene Wenger took over and started implementing stricter training regimes, diet-plans, fitness programmes etc. etc. at Arsenal and some of the old gaurd weren't too keen and raised concerns....

Now, I am not for one minute comparing Hibs to Arsenal, but I definitely think that opposed to the typical 'get fit, get stuck in' Scottish Manager i.e Yogi Hughes, Jefferies, Calderwood et.al, John Collins might have completely different ideas about how the game should be played and has DEFINITELY brought a more continental style with him to the club, which IMO can only be a good thing.

I think it's a case of the fringe players not happy about having to put the extra work and not seeing any results e.g 'what's the point in putting all this effort in if ah'm no gettin' a game?'. What they probably don't realise is that even if they ARE NOT getting a game at Hibs, the training they are undertaking at the moment may prolong their earning ability by a good few seasons??? In other words - stop fkng moaning or GTF.

You could not be more wrong.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by mintie

You could not be more wrong.

You seem to think your in the know so why don't you spill the beans?

Put up or shut up if you get my drift?

This whole debacle is doing my feckin head in.

[mintie]

Originally Posted by Smurf

You seem to think your in the know so why don't you spill the beans?

Put up or shut up if you get my drift?

This whole debacle is doing my feckin head in.

Hmmm...

[beefy]

Originally Posted by mintie

...And we will only win things CONSISTENTLY if we are getting the best out of our players. It's not rocket science really. Football training - not just fitness training. Tactics and preparation - not just telling people to 'get out and play'.

Consistent?Hibs, yer having a laugh.Your saying the players are revolting because the training is power rather than play?Feck me the poor wee souls.To have all this crap going on on a semi final week is just scandalous.If we lose on Sunday because the players are whinging that training is not varied enough then they need a feckin slap!

[Bartok]

Originally Posted by mintie

...And we will only win things CONSISTENTLY if we are getting the best out of our players. It's not rocket science really. Football training - not just fitness training. Tactics and preparation - not just telling people to 'get out and play'.

You seem awful sure of this as being the problem. Seems to the outside observer that it is more a case of players resenting the hard work involved in meeting the manager's expetations fitness-wise. JC was the kind of player who worked very hard to make sure he was physically up to the demands of the game. It would be a major surprise if he approached management without the same expectations of his players.

It would also be a surprise if he did not spend some time on tactics and skills though, and I trust him and Tommy Craig to get the balance right. JC may be an inexperienced manager but he is a qualified coach and did not get his ticket by being unaware of the need for training on all fronts.