Between the lines

[mintie]

JC says no revolt at ER, but a significant number of senior players are reported as having made representations to the Mouser. Is JC in denial? Between the lines, such troubles after the cup win must be hard to take, but they need to be properly resolved for the long term future of the club. I do not believe that any one player should be singled out for the slagging some are receiving on this site. Something more fundamental has gone wrong here. I hope JC and his management team can sort this out, but good footballers don't necessarily make great managers. They need to be people managers and learn to listen and respect their professional players, as well as invoke some discipline when required.

JC places great emphasis on fitness and stamina in players. Nothing wrong in that and can't imagine some of the players' mentioned as making representations to the Mouser object to that. But is this approach at the expense of the training regime introduced by Mowbray and Venus - based on skills, practising set pieces etc- which some of the senior players have experienced and greatly benefited from and which brought back to Hibs the exciting, flowing football clearly lacking under previous regimes?

Fitness and stamina are all well and good, but the senior players will know the importance of practising set moves etc so as not to waste our own free kicks and suffer from other teams set pieces (which we frequently do). Not enough to have a superfit team and then tell them to just get out and play. I wonder whether the dip in performance and the current frustrations of certain team members could be attributed to some of the more experienced players, with football brains, feeling that something is going wrong here and that those who might change it for the better are simply not listening? JC is an experienced footballer, but not an experienced manager. Communication is a two way process. Is he listening?

[crabit]

Originally Posted by mintie

...... Is he listening?

That isn't the question. It should be - is he learning? And, are THEY learning?

[Dr Shrink]

Nice post Mintie.

I think you may be onto something...............

[mintie]

Originally Posted by crabit

That isn't the question. It should be - is he learning? And, are THEY learning?

If he's not listening, then he's not learning.

[crabit]

Originally Posted by mintie

If he's not listening, then he's not learning.

Very true - but if all you do is listen to the whingeing then you will learn nothing. Being a manager is about getting your own ideas across more than looking for a cosy concensus.

[mintie]

Originally Posted by crabit

Very true - but if all you do is listen to the whingeing then you will learn nothing. Being a manager is about getting your own ideas across more than looking for a cosy concensus.

Being a manager is about showing leadership, not about cosy consensus. Yes - it's about getting your ideas across, but this requires respect from those you seek to lead. That is not earned by saying how good you were at doing something when you were a player. It's about motivating people, finding out what makes them tick and ultimately getting the best out of people. It is as plain as day that this is not happening at the moment at Hibs. If concerns about the current training regime are well-founded, why do you call these concerns 'whingeing'?

[crabit]

Originally Posted by mintie

Being a manager is about showing leadership, not about cosy consensus. Yes - it's about getting your ideas across, but this requires respect from those you seek to lead. That is not earned by saying how good you were at doing something when you were a player. It's about motivating people, finding out what makes them tick and ultimately getting the best out of people. It is as plain as day that this is not happening at the moment at Hibs. If concerns about the current training regime are well-founded, why do you call these concerns 'whingeing'?

If indeed they are well founded then I am wrong in saying it is whingeing - but since we have only introduced a training regime at the same level as a lot of top clubs then I would pay more attention to what those clubs do than to what some of our players are complaining about.

[KeithTheHibee]

Hope this "unrest" problem is resolved soon

[scaredyhibby]

Originally Posted by crabit

If indeed they are well founded then I am wrong in saying it is whingeing - but since we have only introduced a training regime at the same level as a lot of top clubs then I would pay more attention to what those clubs do than to what some of our players are complaining about.

Great point

[Purple & Green]

Originally Posted by mintie

JC is an experienced footballer, but not an experienced manager. Communication is a two way process. Is he listening?

Tommy Craig is an experienced coach, JC rates him highly, is he so blind to what is supposedly is going on too?

[FergosMonchacha]

Good points on both sides here

JC was probably the best Ive seen at ER - ever - thats not to say he will be a great manager - how does he come across to us the Fans. IMO a touch arrogant.

He has however played at the top - more the top than any of the players at ER. There was I suggest a bit of a comfort zone at ER under TM - a great manager no doubt also. So its gonni happen - JC breezes in with some new ideas and the players have a moan.

Im more with JC than the players if there is a rammy goin on. The players have been a tad cowardly making the jaws go when the boss in France. And the timing is hardly comedy........selfish some would say and no meagre mortal that walks this Earth is greater than the mighty Hibernian my friends.

And what about the glasgay press part in aw this then..........

Let it blow over - dont contribute to any other media phone/write ins - back the manager and the club we love - and let the Gods do the Rest.........

as long as the rest means we lift the Scottish......

Gaun the Hibs................

[crabit]

Originally Posted by FergosMonchacha

Good points on both sides here

JC was probably the best Ive seen at ER - ever - thats not to say he will be a great manager - how does he come across to us the Fans. IMO a touch arrogant.

I don't think his arrogance will do any lasting harm - i also think that Tommy Craig will have had some input into what is going on and that the pair of them will find a way throug all this.