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**scaredyhibby** · 09-04-07, 20:47

With all the discussion around the manager going on at the moment it's interesting to note that Hibs record under Collins has been as follows-:
P. 27; W14; D5; L8.

Does this seem acceptable when you consider we are unbeaten in cup ties under Collins and have already won one cup!!

**Gunnerhibby** · 09-04-07, 20:52

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With all the discussion around the manager going on at the moment it's interesting to note that Hibs record under Collins has been as follows-:
P. 27; W14; D5; L8.

Does this seem acceptable when you consider we are unbeaten in cup ties under Collins and have already won one cup!!

On paper ...

... and given that this is his first managerial post, and came in midway through a season, you'd probably say it was.

On the park ...

... if you had seen all these games you'd probably think not.

**scaredyhibby** · 09-04-07, 20:52

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With all the discussion around the manager going on at the moment it's interesting to note that Hibs record under Collins has been as follows-:
P. 27; W14; D5; L8.

Does this seem acceptable when you consider we are unbeaten in cup ties under Collins and have already won one cup!!

btw Goals for- 49

Goals against- 29.

**Greenman** · 09-04-07, 20:53

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With all the discussion around the manager going on at the moment it's interesting to note that Hibs record under Collins has been as follows-:
P. 27; W14; D5; L8.

Does this seem acceptable when you consider we are unbeaten in cup ties under Collins and have already won one cup!!

So far so good
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We've seen a lot worse
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**scaredyhibby** · 09-04-07, 21:00

SPL record under JC not so impressive----W8; D4; L8 :

**Greenman** · 09-04-07, 21:12

What was Duff Jimmys Record, Bertie Aulds and dare I say Le God,
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Remember when we were blessed with watching the likes of Del Shannon, McQuilken, and all the other dead wood Duff Jimmy brought in.

Collins will get it right
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Victory on Sunday and come the 27th May the man just might have earned himself the status of immortal Hibby
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**SKII** · 09-04-07, 21:19

No mention of him walking on water? Making wine out of water or conjuring up huge fish suppers?

Bet ya Gordon Strachan hasn't brought anyone back from the dead (well apart from Paul Telfer obviously).

The Resurrection was yesterday according to the fixture list - so bring on Sunday.

**SlovSam** · 09-04-07, 21:25

I think JC can dine out on the magnificence of his trophy win for some time yet and no Tony Mowbray didn't pick the team, or motivate the players or decide the tic tacs.
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Galbraith :won nothing
The great Jock Stein :won nothing
Shankly :won nothing
Macfarlane:won nothing
Ewing:won nothing
Turnbull: won league cup
Ormond:Won nothing
Auld:won nothing
Stanton;won nothing
Blackley won nothing
Miller :won league cup
Jim Duffy:
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Mcleish:won nothing
'The Sauzee' :won nothing
'Boaby' : won nothing
Gudmunder Thorfasson
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won nothing though wasn't quite appointed to be fair
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Mowbray :won nothing
JC : won league cup (after 5 months)
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These are the statistics that really matter not some arbitrary bunch of recent SPL games.

**Purple & Green** · 09-04-07, 21:32

Sunday is the acid test, it's a game we should win even without Chris Killen. To be honest, I'd rather have a John Collins in charge than Tony Mowbray given their respective records in cup competitions.

The league form has been dissappointing, but certainly no worse than TM's prior to his departure. In addition JC has blooded a flood of youngsters for next season. JC has already got the knack of winning when it matters, and he could give TM a few lessons on that score given the collapse in WBA form recently just at the wrong end of the season.

jennstrng · 09-04-07, 21:34

I like Collins but he needs to make sure our players are happy as at present all the rumours and speculation whether true or not are hinting this is not the case. If there is unrest in the dressing room then this needs to be tackled and solved to move forward.

We had a fantastic celebration when we won the cis cup and we are in the semi's for the scottish cup but Collins need to show us more often that not that we have a team to be proud off and we can rely on them more consistently.

The goalkeepers have cost us a lot this year alongside the disturbance with Scotty and Thommo but it can be frustrating as a fan to go and watch our team knowing that they are capable of so much better and coming away being defeated by far less superior football teams and feeling gutted.

Come on Collins, sort it out and let's get some decent points in our last few matches this season.

GGTTH

**scaredyhibby** · 09-04-07, 21:38

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I like Collins but he needs to make sure our players are happy as at present all the rumours and speculation whether true or not are hinting this is not the case. If there is unrest in the dressing room then this needs to be tackled and solved to move forward.

We had a fantastic celebration when we won the cis cup and we are in the semi's for the scottish cup but Collins need to show us more often that not that we have a team to be proud off and we can rely on them more consistently.

The goalkeepers have cost us a lot this year alongside the disturbance with Scotty and Thommo but it can be frustrating as a fan to go and watch our team knowing that they are capable of so much better and coming away being defeated by far less superior football teams and feeling gutted.

Come on Collins, sort it out and let's get some decent points in our last few matches this season.

GGTTH

Strong words from a part-timer
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hibees_green · 10-04-07, 09:09

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I think JC can dine out on the magnificence of his trophy win for some time yet and no Tony Mowbray didn't pick the team, or motivate the players or decide the tic tacs.
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Galbraith :won nothing
The great Jock Stein :won nothing
Shankly :won nothing
Macfarlane:won nothing
Ewing:won nothing
Turnbull: won league cup
Ormond:Won nothing
Auld:won nothing
Stanton;won nothing
Blackley won nothing
Miller :won league cup
Jim Duffy:
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Mcleish:won nothing
'The Sauzee' :won nothing
'Boaby' : won nothing
Gudmunder Thorfasson
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won nothing though wasn't quite appointed to be fair
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Mowbray :won nothing
JC : won league cup (after 5 months)
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These are the statistics that really matter not some arbitrary bunch of recent SPL games.

Out of interest who was the manager when they won the league in the 50's?

**SlovSam** · 10-04-07, 09:20

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Out of interest who was the manager when they won the league in the 50's?

Hugh Shaw: though the modern manager as we know it wouldn't really exist and the team would have been picked by a combination of
Hugh Shaw/Senior players/and the Chairman being the great Harry Swan.
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Chairmen picking teams didn't start with Mad Vlad
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**wee 162** · 10-04-07, 10:00

I think we are possibly in danger of starting to have a bit of a rosy-tinted hue put on our memories of Hibs under Tony Mowbray. TMs last game in charge was at Love St and that was an absolutely appaling performance. In our last 18 games of last season we picked up 19 points. Our form under him was so up and down it was unreal. The current "crisis" under JC has been a one goal defeat against the run of play in a derby, and two late goals conceded against sides fighting for their lives away from home. Aye we haven't been playing well, but it's not like these types of results are anything new.

Smurf · 10-04-07, 10:08

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I think we are possibly in danger of starting to have a bit of a rosy-tinted hue put on our memories of Hibs under Tony Mowbray. TMs last game in charge was at Love St and that was an absolutely appaling performance. In our last 18 games of last season we picked up 19 points. Our form under him was so up and down it was unreal. The current "crisis" under JC has been a one goal defeat against the run of play in a derby, and two late goals conceded against sides fighting for their lives away from home. Aye we haven't been playing well, but it's not like these types of results are anything new.

I agree with all of the above. Our SPL form and results under Mowbray was very poor all 2006.

Pilrig · 10-04-07, 10:20

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Out of interest who was the manager when they won the league in the 50's?

Hugh Shaw. But in the days prior to Stein the manager jusr picked the team, the players sorted out the tactics themselves.

Oh and SlovSam Hibs won the Summer Cup under Stein.

Pilrig · 10-04-07, 10:23

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Chairmen picking teams didn't start with Mad Vlad
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Or Jim MacLean for that matter - another control freak, but at least he knew something about football. Hibs might have had him as manager but Hart preferred Bertie Auld.

hibees_green · 10-04-07, 12:28

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Hugh Shaw: though the modern manager as we know it wouldn't really exist and the team would have been picked by a combination of
Hugh Shaw/Senior players/and the Chairman being the great Harry Swan.
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Chairmen picking teams didn't start with Mad Vlad
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Interesting. I quiet like the idea of the Captain having a say but surely nobody would go as far as involving the Chairman
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Cowshed Graffiti · 10-04-07, 12:36

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I agree with all of the above. Our SPL form and results under Mowbray was very poor all 2006.

And under Collins the worst we'll do is finish in the top six and win a cup.

Brainwrong · 10-04-07, 13:00

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Sunday is the acid test, it's a game we should win even without Chris Killen. To be honest, I'd rather have a John Collins in charge than Tony Mowbray given their respective records in cup competitions.

The league form has been dissappointing, but certainly no worse than TM's prior to his departure. In addition JC has blooded a flood of youngsters for next season. JC has already got the knack of winning when it matters, and he could give TM a few lessons on that score given the collapse in WBA form recently just at the wrong end of the season.

Totally agree with this and Wee162's comment. Do folk think we're fucking Champions League material? We're no even win-the-SPL material. I could see us loosing that (CIS) final if TM was involved. Don't get me wrong, I have a massive amount of respect for TM but he did have some failings the main one being consistency. I'll be very surprised if JC doesn't do something special with our club once he gets his own team in, even if it's purely regular UEFA cup appearances via league placing.

People keep mentioning our performances and attendances like were in the same league as the Old Firm or something (well, aye we're all in the SPL but you know what I mean). It's been stated before but; we just feckin' aren't anywhere near them and folk just don't seem to be appreciating the good shit that's actually been happening as they seem to think it should be taken as red.

We don't have a god given right to success, we've had a couple of brief snifters of it over the past 30 odd years but really we've been shit since the '70s.

**scaredyhibby** · 10-04-07, 20:40

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scaredyhibby Radge Private Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Motherwell Age: 54 Posts: 2,901 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 8	JC's record With all the discussion around the manager going on at the moment it's interesting to note that Hibs record under Collins has been as follows-: P. 27; W14; D5; L8. Does this seem acceptable when you consider we are unbeaten in cup ties under Collins and have already won one cup!! __________________ GGTTH

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scaredyhibby Radge Private Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Motherwell Age: 54 Posts: 2,901 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 8	Re: JC's record SPL record under JC not so impressive----W8; D4; L8 : __________________ GGTTH

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SlovSam Radge Flag Owner and Private Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Usually Edinburgh. Posts: 3,026 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 15	Re: JC's record I think JC can dine out on the magnificence of his trophy win for some time yet and no Tony Mowbray didn't pick the team, or motivate the players or decide the tic tacs. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Galbraith :won nothing The great Jock Stein :won nothing Shankly :won nothing Macfarlane:won nothing Ewing:won nothing Turnbull: won league cup Ormond:Won nothing Auld:won nothing Stanton;won nothing Blackley won nothing Miller :won league cup Jim Duffy: To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Mcleish:won nothing 'The Sauzee' :won nothing 'Boaby' : won nothing Gudmunder Thorfasson To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. won nothing though wasn't quite appointed to be fair To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Mowbray :won nothing JC : won league cup (after 5 months) To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. These are the statistics that really matter not some arbitrary bunch of recent SPL games. __________________ 'Football is the most important of life's least important things' Ariggo Sachi.

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jennstrng Baby Radge Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: bathgate Age: 30 Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: JC's record I like Collins but he needs to make sure our players are happy as at present all the rumours and speculation whether true or not are hinting this is not the case. If there is unrest in the dressing room then this needs to be tackled and solved to move forward. We had a fantastic celebration when we won the cis cup and we are in the semi's for the scottish cup but Collins need to show us more often that not that we have a team to be proud off and we can rely on them more consistently. The goalkeepers have cost us a lot this year alongside the disturbance with Scotty and Thommo but it can be frustrating as a fan to go and watch our team knowing that they are capable of so much better and coming away being defeated by far less superior football teams and feeling gutted. Come on Collins, sort it out and let's get some decent points in our last few matches this season. GGTTH

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