Can't believe the hysteria

[Greenmachine]

Surely I am not the only one who is absolutely astonished at the hysteria which has been created by this piece of news regarding Thomson and Brown appearing in the Daily Record yesterday ? What has happened IMO is that someone has informed Thomson and Brown that they really don't have a very good contract at all with Hibs, and reccomended that they take on Willie McKay to get them a better contract with another club. So what's the fuss all about ? Hibs are going to sell one if not both of them before the start of next season as we have a training academy to pay for, and a new manager who needs to be given some decent money in order to bring in some of his own new players. Whether McKay was brought in or not, this was always going to be the scenario. They are both very talented players who are probably ready to make a step up to the next level, and earn more money.

I am quite OK with this. I just don't want it to happen in January, and I trust Rod Petrie and John Collins will ensure that it doesn't.

Teams evolve and change all the time in the post Bosman era. Hibs will always have to sell players at certain times, as does every club including the Old Firm. It's how you deal with change that determines whether you continue to go forward as a club or backwards.

It is regretable that two of our best players have chosen to instruct their agent to start contract renegotiations through a tabloid newspaper. Contract details should always be a private matter between the player and the club. That is the reason Rod Petrie has correctly refused to take McKay's calls. I reckon Petrie has already got the better of this character and will continue to do so.

The facts are that these two are contracted to play for Hibernian for the next 3 to 4 years. They must continue to do this to the best of their ability as that is what they are being paid for. We have two trophies and European football to play for this season, and that is why IMO Hibs will not accept any offers for either of them in January. I find it hard to believe that the Old Firm are in any financial state to offer Hibs what they would want for Brown or Thompson, and so it would have to be an offer from England or abroad. I think Scott Brown will be sold in the summer if we get an offer which matches Hibs valuation.

Hibs are in complete control of this situation. IMO they will both continue to perform week in week out for the club, and we have much to look forward to this season. In the summer we will find out who stays and who goes, and the manager can bring his own players in and start to build his own team.

Too much overreaction to a piece of trivia in the papers IMO. It's not worth getting all worked up about it. I fully trust the board to handle this to the clubs benefit.

[Bartok]

Originally Posted by Greenmachine

Surely I am not the only one who is absolutely astonished at the hysteria which has been created by this piece of news regarding Thomson and Brown appearing in the Daily Record yesterday ? What has happened IMO is that someone has informed Thomson and Brown that they really don't have a very good contract at all with Hibs, and reccomended that they take on Willie McKay to get them a better contract with another club. So what's the fuss all about ? Hibs are going to sell one if not both of them before the start of next season as we have a training academy to pay for, and a new manager who needs to be given some decent money in order to bring in some of his own new players. Whether McKay was brought in or not, this was always going to be the scenario. They are both very talented players who are probably ready to make a step up to the next level, and earn more money.

I am quite OK with this. I just don't want it to happen in January, and I trust Rod Petrie and John Collins will ensure that it doesn't.

Teams evolve and change all the time in the post Bosman era. Hibs will always have to sell players at certain times, as does every club including the Old Firm. It's how you deal with change that determines whether you continue to go forward as a club or backwards.

It is regretable that two of our best players have chosen to instruct their agent to start contract renegotiations through a tabloid newspaper. Contract details should always be a private matter between the player and the club. That is the reason Rod Petrie has correctly refused to take McKay's calls. I reckon Petrie has already got the better of this character and will continue to do so.

The facts are that these two are contracted to play for Hibernian for the next 3 to 4 years. They must continue to do this to the best of their ability as that is what they are being paid for. We have two trophies and European football to play for this season, and that is why IMO Hibs will not accept any offers for either of them in January. I find it hard to believe that the Old Firm are in any financial state to offer Hibs what they would want for Brown or Thompson, and so it would have to be an offer from England or abroad. I think Scott Brown will be sold in the summer if we get an offer which matches Hibs valuation.

Hibs are in complete control of this situation. IMO they will both continue to perform week in week out for the club, and we have much to look forward to this season. In the summer we will find out who stays and who goes, and the manager can bring his own players in and start to build his own team.

Too much overreaction to a piece of trivia in the papers IMO. It's not worth getting all worked up about it. I fully trust the board to handle this to the clubs benefit.

I completely agree with this assessment of the situation. We are not used to it, but we will see more of it before it's done. Check with any other club with a rising star, same crap goes on there. Where there is talent there are predators. Calm doon lads, it's a sign of success when all this shit starts up.

[gone the hibees]

Originally Posted by Greenmachine

Surely I am not the only one who is absolutely astonished at the hysteria which has been created by this piece of news regarding Thomson and Brown appearing in the Daily Record yesterday ? What has happened IMO is that someone has informed Thomson and Brown that they really don't have a very good contract at all with Hibs, and reccomended that they take on Willie McKay to get them a better contract with another club. So what's the fuss all about ? Hibs are going to sell one if not both of them before the start of next season as we have a training academy to pay for, and a new manager who needs to be given some decent money in order to bring in some of his own new players. Whether McKay was brought in or not, this was always going to be the scenario. They are both very talented players who are probably ready to make a step up to the next level, and earn more money.

I am quite OK with this. I just don't want it to happen in January, and I trust Rod Petrie and John Collins will ensure that it doesn't.

Teams evolve and change all the time in the post Bosman era. Hibs will always have to sell players at certain times, as does every club including the Old Firm. It's how you deal with change that determines whether you continue to go forward as a club or backwards.

It is regretable that two of our best players have chosen to instruct their agent to start contract renegotiations through a tabloid newspaper. Contract details should always be a private matter between the player and the club. That is the reason Rod Petrie has correctly refused to take McKay's calls. I reckon Petrie has already got the better of this character and will continue to do so.

The facts are that these two are contracted to play for Hibernian for the next 3 to 4 years. They must continue to do this to the best of their ability as that is what they are being paid for. We have two trophies and European football to play for this season, and that is why IMO Hibs will not accept any offers for either of them in January. I find it hard to believe that the Old Firm are in any financial state to offer Hibs what they would want for Brown or Thompson, and so it would have to be an offer from England or abroad. I think Scott Brown will be sold in the summer if we get an offer which matches Hibs valuation.

Hibs are in complete control of this situation. IMO they will both continue to perform week in week out for the club, and we have much to look forward to this season. In the summer we will find out who stays and who goes, and the manager can bring his own players in and start to build his own team.

Too much overreaction to a piece of trivia in the papers IMO. It's not worth getting all worked up about it. I fully trust the board to handle this to the clubs benefit.

and thats why we hold the aces..... Lets give the board credit for a change ffs...

They signed the conrtacts.. we know they will leave.. its the 3-4 year left bit that makes it sweet.... If they want to leave they cant ...(unless its nice filthy lucre` and it will take 4 mill the pair or 1.5 each) unless hibs agree so.. if not they have to play there way ou.. another bonus for us.. (they wont be benched)


Its win win for us hibbys (fans).. remember weve just had the second coming And look at his contacts.................. Rofl (dinnae mention judas ffs)



GG

[GloryGlory]

If they had gone to John Collins or Petrie in person and said we'd quite like a wage rise as we are clearly the heart beat of the team, I wouldnt have been surprised if Rod had agreed. But they way they have done it has shown a complete lack of class and dignity.

In 5 months their contracts have gone from acceptable to buttons. They are taking the pish and aslong as Rod Petrie puts them firmly in their place and doesnt give in then there is no problem.

[Smurf]

The hysteria is the disappointment in the players for appointing an agent knowing full well the outcome of the past few days..

[gone the hibees]

Originally Posted by Smurf

The hysteria is the disappointment in the players for appointing an agent knowing full well the outcome of the past few days..

It can only be good for us fans tho wi jesus in there now tho.. all those disciples an that


I tell ye it may work in our favour if we punt...... how many midfielders do we have.. boozy looking good shiels oan the bench


gie jesus the £4m im sure he could rustle up a few fishes and loaves

[hibadelic]

As we all know, this "controversy" has been stirred up out of nothing by an agent using various journalists and broadcasters who are all delighted to have a story that is of interest to fans of Rantic and another big club - it guarantees sales/listeners/viewers. The fact that there are no sources quoted in the story other than the agent doesn't seem to concern them. The hysteria that has been whipped up by the downmarket newspapers and shock-jock radio serves themselves and the agent only. Rod Petrie is completely correct to distance himself and Hibs from agents who use the media as their main tool in negotiation for their clients. We as fans should do the same and stop playing into their hands by phoning their shows, writing about it on messageboards etc.

[Brian]

Thank feck for this thread.

tbh, I wouldn't be devastated if they moved in January provided the price is right (and let's face it if the price is right, they'll be going South not West).

I like Thomson but I think if we can get 2M we should bite whoever's hand off, I reckon he is destined ultimately for a career in the Championship. Brown I'd be sorrier to lose, I really think he could be the one that makes it big but he's given us great service and if we can get 3M then I don't think we should stand in his way.

Beuzelin is, imo, better than Thommo in the same role and we also have Stewart, Zemamma, Fletch, Sproule and Shiels who can't even get a start despite having been a cracking wee player when he does.

This is not a Riordan/Murray/Caldwell thing, the club is going to get a hefty wedge out of these guys whatever happens and they'll only move when Hibs are ready.

[Johnny Kash]

Originally Posted by Brian

Thank feck for this thread.

tbh, I wouldn't be devastated if they moved in January provided the price is right (and let's face it if the price is right, they'll be going South not West).

I like Thomson but I think if we can get 2M we should bite whoever's hand off, I reckon he is destined ultimately for a career in the Championship. Brown I'd be sorrier to lose, I really think he could be the one that makes it big but he's given us great service and if we can get 3M then I don't think we should stand in his way.

Beuzelin is, imo, better than Thommo in the same role and we also have Stewart, Zemamma, Fletch, Sproule and Shiels who can't even get a start despite having been a cracking wee player when he does.

This is not a Riordan/Murray/Caldwell thing, the club is going to get a hefty wedge out of these guys whatever happens and they'll only move when Hibs are ready.

Would agree to an extent at taking 2M for Thompson (its gonna happen sooner or later).

The key for me would be extending Stewarts' contract if this is the case. We need to get him tied down

[Grant1875]

Originally Posted by Hib-ster

Would agree to an extent at taking 2M for Thompson (its gonna happen sooner or later).

The key for me would be extending Stewarts' contract if this is the case. We need to get him tied down

Exactly. We need Stewart and Killen on new deals. I honestly cannie believe there's no even been any talk about it. Surely Petrie / JC are working on it.

[Davy]

Hold them till at least end of season. We will be more attractive to incoming players if we finish with a Euro spot not to mention some silverware

[FergosMonchacha]

Complete Pish - am I the only one who thinks that if the two of them stay the whole club could go onto the "next level" and win some real honours in the shape of cups and leagues if luck goes our way....................I honestly believe that this is within our grasp if the two stay and JC makes some class signings. We always set our sights too low and we must raise the bar of expectation and back the club 100% This wee club mentality gets on ma goat......to hell with the weegies andthe like........

Hibernian Forever.

[Johnny Kash]

Originally Posted by FergosMonchacha

Complete Pish - am I the only one who thinks that if the two of them stay the whole club could go onto the "next level" and win some real honours in the shape of cups and leagues if luck goes our way....................I honestly believe that this is within our grasp if the two stay and JC makes some class signings. We always set our sights too low and we must raise the bar of expectation and back the club 100% This wee club mentality gets on ma goat......to hell with the weegies andthe like........

Hibernian Forever.

Not pish at all mate, just realistic posts from those whove followed the Cabbage for long enough to know this could/will happen, depending on your outlook..

I would love it (as Kevin Keegan once ranted ) if we could keep Thommo and Broon AND sign a keeper, goal poacher and defensive cover, tie down Killen and Stewart etc etc.
Im realistic enough to know something has to give if this is to happen.

Nothing wrong with thinking about what well do IF we lose one of these boys. Consensus seems to be with having Stewart and Boozy in the midfield we can afford to lose Thommo more than Broony.

[BigBadBouncer]

I agree with whats been said on this thread, but I can't understand why Brown and Thommo want to extend their contracts. A pay rise, fair enough, but what benefits will a contract extension bring them, or the club? Unless of course they are willing to see their extended contracts out if the rise suits them?

[FergosMonchacha]

Well hibster lets scale chatmandu - if this is hinting at my short term following of Hibs Ive been going to ER since 1978 (7 years old) and I know that historically we have sold our best players on to the so called "bigger clubs". But this small club complex does not help. Our financial position is the strongest its ever been and I think that we are truly capable of mounting a serious challenge for the league if we hold our nerve (for once) and stop pandering to the clubs esp in the west who traditonally weaken us in order to stop us from winning honours. Acceptance of this is small minded - we should aim higher and acheive - take the west coast on at their own game and win on our terms. Small minded "realistic" Hibees do not help

Hibernian Forever.

[BigBadBouncer]

Originally Posted by FergosMonchacha

Well hibster lets scale chatmandu - if this is hinting at my short term following of Hibs Ive been going to ER since 1978 (7 years old) and I know that historically we have sold our best players on to the so called "bigger clubs". But this small club complex does not help. Our financial position is the strongest its ever been and I think that we are truly capable of mounting a serious challenge for the league if we hold our nerve (for once) and stop pandering to the clubs esp in the west who traditonally weaken us in order to stop us from winning honours. Acceptance of this is small minded - we should aim higher and acheive - take the west coast on at their own game and win on our terms. Small minded "realistic" Hibees do not help

Hibernian Forever.

Agreed

[FergosMonchacha]

Cheers BBB - Hibs over the years have made me laugh cry smile fight cuddle and scream. Wouldny have it any other way. As the Hibs go marchin on..........


Hibernian Forever.

[Briant]

Originally Posted by Greenmachine

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I am quite OK with this. I just don't want it to happen in January, and I trust Rod Petrie and John Collins will ensure that it doesn't..

This is the important bit.

IF, and it may be a big if but I think it is possible, we end up playing in the Champions League, our players value will go up enormously. This should encourage all the Hibs squad to perform to their best and so increase their worth. If JC can use this to inspire the players then we will be there and the result will be best for EVERYONE who is a Hibee.

Even if Hibs don't get Champions League the players must realise that to stay and perform in a team that is getting plaudits from everybody will only do them good. we have the example of Deek to hold up in front of them, He was the best player at ER and he isn't playing football now.

[Johnny Kash]

Originally Posted by FergosMonchacha

Well hibster lets scale chatmandu - if this is hinting at my short term following of Hibs Ive been going to ER since 1978 (7 years old) and I know that historically we have sold our best players on to the so called "bigger clubs". But this small club complex does not help. Our financial position is the strongest its ever been and I think that we are truly capable of mounting a serious challenge for the league if we hold our nerve (for once) and stop pandering to the clubs esp in the west who traditonally weaken us in order to stop us from winning honours. Acceptance of this is small minded - we should aim higher and acheive - take the west coast on at their own game and win on our terms. Small minded "realistic" Hibees do not help

Hibernian Forever.

I would like nothing more than this to happen FergosMonchatmandu

Leaving aside the Thommo/Broon thing and looking at the positives, us Hibbies are right behind JC and my gut feeling is that he can take us on to the next level.