Our defence

[hibs1989]

Zibi cost us against hearts 100%, but against killie if you watch the highlights he is 60% to blame he should of put it past the post, BUT cant believe am sticking up for him as he must go by yesterday, but martis or jones both should have cleared eith their heads, and come wednesday when robbie the tramp throws a ball in i will not be watching unless mcneil is in goals, but this new thing about working it from the back, martic and jones cant play that leage 2 an 1 football in england is long ball they cant pass the ball, they no no nonense defenders, passing it back to the keeper is risky aswell, get the ball out of our shaky defence, (only zibi making it shaky)

[bigmanandy]

We play Hertz this week and another cock up by that clown and i'm going to lose it and i'm sure the rest of the crowd will too, every phecking game he costs us something its outragous that he should be aloud to continue in goal! Yes the defence where to blame for the goal but so was Zibby, Zibby should of cleared his lines instead of flapping and the ball, but the defence did not mark Naismith and let him run riot.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by bigmanandy

We play Hertz this week and another cock up by that clown and i'm going to lose it and i'm sure the rest of the crowd will too, every phecking game he costs us something its outragous that he should be aloud to continue in goal! Yes the defence where to blame for the goal but so was Zibby, Zibby should of cleared his lines instead of flapping and the ball, but the defence did not mark Naismith and let him run riot.

Did you watch the highlights on Setanta Mandy (as well as seeing the whole scene unfold at the game, its just you get a better chance to evaluate the situation when its seen in slo-mo), if you did you wouldnt be blaming Zibbi as much as you are.

Granted he costs us goals but in this instance Martis was at fault for the second, he jumped way too early for the throw in and it should have been an easy clearance. He headed the ball across the goal which Zibbi couldnt have been expecting and when Zibbi reacted he didnt quite get to the ball....if he hadnt gone for it and the killie boy had scored everyone would have been blaming Zibbi for not trying to get the ball....seems he cant win.

[bigmanandy]

Originally Posted by Dub

Did you watch the highlights on Setanta Mandy (as well as seeing the whole scene unfold at the game, its just you get a better chance to evaluate the situation when its seen in slo-mo), if you did you wouldnt be blaming Zibbi as much as you are.

Granted he costs us goals but in this instance Martis was at fault for the second, he jumped way too early for the throw in and it should have been an easy clearance. He headed the ball across the goal which Zibbi couldnt have been expecting and when Zibbi reacted he didnt quite get to the ball....if he hadnt gone for it and the killie boy had scored everyone would have been blaming Zibbi for not trying to get the ball....seems he cant win.

No mate not seen the highlights all i need is my eyes which where at the game , Zibby is a clown everyone knows that, i mean even the crowd yesterday booed his name when he was named in the squad that had been picked...and everytime he messed up there where huge groans...its as if hes scared to get tackled/hurt...we dont need this goalie, get McNeil in (but not for the derby as its to big a game).....ok maybe Zibby was not at fault but i still feel in the lead up to the goal he should of cleard the ball...but yes the defence was pretty garbage but i'm sure Collins is just trying to work out the best formation and also we where missing Killen and Brown which where huge blows, you could tell we where missing them and the attacking play was not as good.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by bigmanandy

No mate not seen the highlights 1. all i need is my eyes which where at the game , Zibby is a clown everyone knows that, i mean 2. even the crowd yesterday booed his name when he was named in the squad that had been picked...and 3. everytime he messed up there where huge groans...its as if hes scared to get tackled/hurt...we dont need this goalie, get McNeil in (but not for the derby as its to big a game).....4. ok maybe Zibby was not at fault but i still feel in the lead up to the goal he should of cleard the ball...but 5 . yes the defence was pretty garbage but i'm sure Collins is just trying to work out the best formation and also we where missing Killen and Brown which where huge blows, you could tell we where missing them and the attacking play was not as good.

1. So were mine and ar the time I didnt think he was totally to blame. I havent seen anything in the highlights to change my mind.

2. I must have gone temporarily deaf when that happened. I cant recall hearing everyone booing.

3. At what other point did he mess up

4. When exactly did he have a chance to clear the ball apart from when he tried to get it? The sideways "clearance" from Martis must have taken him and everyone else by surprise IMO

5. Not pretty garbage Manders, the defence was shocking and Zibbi got almost zero protection from it. All along the line was bad and they have to take some responsibility. Odd though, no-one seems to be blaming them, only blaming Zibbi.

Dont get me wrong, if Zibbi goes I wont be sorry but it seems he is an easy target and no-one will point the finger any where else.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by HG1875

I just watched the highlights and Zibi is not as much to blame for the second goal as I first thought.

First goal - terrible clearance by Martis, given to a Killie player. Murphy tries to intercept he second pass but it comes off him to Naismith, who shoots. Matris tried to block (cannae blame him for that though) and it left Zibi helpless.

Second goal - Long throw, Martis and Jones (I think) go for the same ball and make a muck-up of a clearance. Zibi flaps a bit and the ball falls to Naismith again, who easily put it in the back of the net. Zibi wasn't too clever but would never have been in that position if it wasn't for our centre-halfs.

Having said that - I thought Jones and Martis were unsually awkward today, both going for the same ball or both leaving it for the other. They weren't communicating as well as they normally do and weren't as solid as they were previously. Others have suggested this comes from nervousness about their keeper, and I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.

TBH I dont agree that anyone can blame Zibbi for their nervousness. They have both proved they can communicate with each other and get it right, they just didnt do it today. As you said, they went for the same ball more than once and didnt get good enough contact on the ball a few times. Martis mistimed his jump, you can hardly blame the goalkeeper for that piece of defending, zibbi doesnt shout "jump" to Martis when its time for him to jump does he?

[bigmanandy]

Originally Posted by Dub

1. So were mine and ar the time I didnt think he was totally to blame. I havent seen anything in the highlights to change my mind.

2. I must have gone temporarily deaf when that happened. I cant recall hearing everyone booing.

3. At what other point did he mess up

4. When exactly did he have a chance to clear the ball apart from when he tried to get it? The sideways "clearance" from Martis must have taken him and everyone else by surprise IMO

5. Not pretty garbage Manders, the defence was shocking and Zibbi got almost zero protection from it. All along the line was bad and they have to take some responsibility. Odd though, no-one seems to be blaming them, only blaming Zibbi.

Dont get me wrong, if Zibbi goes I wont be sorry but it seems he is an easy target and no-one will point the finger any where else.

1. Ok he wasn't to blame for everything but, he is a very nervous goalkeeper and you could tell yesterday, the defence do not trust him and neither do i.

2. If you where there 30 mins before kick off you would of heard the groans, a few boo's and the look of nervousnis on peoples faces.

3. Zibby messed up when i think it was Jones who passed the ball back to him and he failed to come out to meet that ball and one of the Kilmarnock players came running in after the ball and then suddenly Zibby decided after his nervous stops, to come out and blast the ball up the park....Zibby is crap and i think we all agree on that.

4. OK i agree with you their.

5. The defence do not trust Zibby so thats why defenders are messing up because they are thinking of passing the ball back to him but then what probaly goes throo there mind is, 'is he going to mess it up' or 'is he going to do the proper thing' ....The defence may of been crap but the defence and goalkeeper need to have trust in each other, which they do not have.

And yes no-one does point the finger anywhere else and hardly anyone noticed Sproule who had a superb game yesterday and was probaly one of the only players who did, Zibby yesterday was defo not the only player to blame...i mean our play was not flowing (but we could blame that on the ref for not letting it flow) but i feel that the loss of Killen and Brown defo showed yesterday, and hope that we do not play like that for the derby on Wednesday.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by bigmanandy

1. Ok he wasn't to blame for everything but, he is a very nervous goalkeeper and you could tell yesterday, the defence do not trust him and neither do i.

2. If you where there 30 mins before kick off you would of heard the groans, a few boo's and the look of nervousnis on peoples faces.

3. 1. Zibby messed up when i think it was Jones who passed the ball back to him and he failed to come out to meet that ball and one of the Kilmarnock players came running in after the ball and then suddenly Zibby decided after his nervous stops, to come out and blast the ball up the park....Zibby is crap and i think we all agree on that.

4. OK i agree with you their.

5. 2. The defence do not trust Zibby so thats why defenders are messing up because they are thinking of passing the ball back to him but then what probaly goes throo there mind is, 'is he going to mess it up' or 'is he going to do the proper thing' ....The defence may of been crap but the defence and goalkeeper need to have trust in each other, which they do not have.

And yes no-one does point the finger anywhere else and hardly anyone noticed 3. Sproule who had a superb game yesterday and was probaly one of the only players who did, Zibby yesterday was defo not the only player to blame...i mean our play was not flowing (but we could blame that on the ref for not letting it flow) but i feel that the loss of Killen and Brown defo showed yesterday, and 4. hope that we do not play like that for the derby on Wednesday.

1. Did Zibbi clear the ball or did he not?

2. See all my previous posts re Martis attempted and well f*cked up clearance leading to the second goal, He didnt think about passing the ball back to zibbi, he messed up the clearance which should be bread and butter to a defender That isnt a sign of nervousness with your goalkeeper its simply p1ss poor defending.

3.Correct, Sproule was my man of the match for us along with Mikey Stewart (only for the second half performance though).

4. Have faith. We wont play that badly on Wednesday.

[bigmanandy]

Originally Posted by Dub

1. Did Zibbi clear the ball or did he not?

2. See all my previous posts re Martis attempted and well f*cked up clearance leading to the second goal, He didnt think about passing the ball back to zibbi, he messed up the clearance which should be bread and butter to a defender That isnt a sign of nervousness with your goalkeeper its simply p1ss poor defending.

3.Correct, Sproule was my man of the match for us along with Mikey Stewart (only for the second half performance though).

4. Have faith. We wont play that badly on Wednesday.

1. Yes he did clear the ball, he didn't conceed anything so why should i complain

2. Martis actuall played pretty well, had me on the edge of my seat a few times though, like when we're all shouting 'Man on' and then he goes and skins the striker attacking him which is orite when you are not the last defender like he was, because if he keeps doing that one day hes going to conceed a goal.

3. Yeah i agree with that, Mikey did pretty well (second half)...but Sproule was defo MOTM for me everything about him yesterday was excellent, his attitude was supberb, none of this squaring up to players like he normally does but he kept his head and was skinning the Killie defence time after time, and loved his reaction when he turned to the fans in the East, the smile on his face just shows the loyalty he has got for us.

4. Hope your right here, i am hoping for a derby atmosphere....and nothing like that atmosphere yesterday which was terrible, but yes i must keep the faith, but Zibby has to make sure he does not cock up another huge game....Come on Zibby prove your worth :YAYYY:

[son of paddy]

spot on Dub i have on faith in Zibbi , but Martis and Jones both messed up yesterday big time so we can't only blame Zibbi .

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by bigmanandy

1. Yes he did clear the ball, he didn't conceed anything so why should i complain

2. Martis actuall played pretty well, had me on the edge of my seat a few times though, like when we're all shouting 'Man on' and then he goes and skins the striker attacking him which is orite when you are not the last defender like he was, because if he keeps doing that one day hes going to conceed a goal.

3. Yeah i agree with that, Mikey did pretty well (second half)...but Sproule was defo MOTM for me everything about him yesterday was excellent, his attitude was supberb, none of this squaring up to players like he normally does but he kept his head and was skinning the Killie defence time after time, and loved his reaction when he turned to the fans in the East, the smile on his face just shows the loyalty he has got for us.

4. Hope your right here, i am hoping for a derby atmosphere....and nothing like that atmosphere yesterday which was terrible, but yes i must keep the faith, but Zibby has to make sure he does not cock up another huge game....Come on Zibby prove your worth :YAYYY:

Thats almost a complete volte face on your earlier positions.


Think first man>

[TattooedHibee]

Originally Posted by son of paddy

spot on Dub i have on faith in Zibbi , but Martis and Jones both messed up yesterday big time so we can't only blame Zibbi .

You should become a priest having that much faith.

[jakey boy]

Originally Posted by TattooedHibee

You should become a priest having that much faith.

if only we could get the budgie back!!!

[Dub]

Originally Posted by jakey boy

if only we could get the budgie back!!!

The Budgie was feckin fantastic value for money. 108 and still able to keep goal (do you young uns still call it that ).

[KABULHIBBY]

Originally Posted by Dub

Did you watch the highlights on Setanta Mandy (as well as seeing the whole scene unfold at the game, its just you get a better chance to evaluate the situation when its seen in slo-mo), if you did you wouldnt be blaming Zibbi as much as you are.

Granted he costs us goals but in this instance Martis was at fault for the second, he jumped way too early for the throw in and it should have been an easy clearance. He headed the ball across the goal which Zibbi couldnt have been expecting and when Zibbi reacted he didnt quite get to the ball....if he hadnt gone for it and the killie boy had scored everyone would have been blaming Zibbi for not trying to get the ball....seems he cant win.

Agree with that Dub, watched the highlights earlier today and Martis is culpable for both goals, IMO. He makes slight contact with the ball which takes it slightly off the path the keeper is following and as a result he's having to overstretch to get his hand to the ball and the fact he was able to get a decent contact on it is all the more extrodinary. Plus had Whitts been tighter on his man he may well have not got the clear header into the corner that he did.