what does tm have to do to be considered a GREAT hibs manager

[Kenny]

the guy has broken some long standing hoodoos (winning in both ends of glasgow and in dunfermline and tynie (5yrs)), stands on the verge of taking hibs to europe in back-to-back seasons (first time since the 70's) - but has performed poorly in two semi finals...and one no silver ware.

is he a great manager - who was the last Great manager and what more does he need to achieve to be a great manager...

[Shearer]

I think he will be remembered as a great manager IF he wins us THAT trophy. A fantastic manager at the moment.

[Brian]

Scudding the Huns 3-0 twice in their own midden does it for me
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[SlovSam]

Qualifying for the UEFA Cup twice in a row would cement his reputation as a 'very good' manager
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which is exactly what he is
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but he has to actually win something to be considered 'Great'. though arguably Alex Miller rather demolishes that theory.
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It would also help his reputation if he didn't try to flog himself for the Middlesboro or any other EPL job while still the Hibs manager
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and his complete disregard for central defenders and defensive midfield players might work in Scotland but it won't work with the big boys.
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but it's still very refreshing to have a you score 2 then we'll score 3 approach
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I'd put forward the theory that Hibs have actually never had a 'Great' manager as Turnbull had huge personality flaws, McCartney didn't actually win anything, Shaw did but he was regarded as a coach/trainer and none of the rest count except Stein who would have been 'Great' but didn't stay around long enough.
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[Smurf]

Originally Posted by SlovSam

I'd put forward the theory that Hibs have actually never had a 'Great' manager

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Boaby.
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[Cal_Hibby_4_Life]

signing riordan on a long-term contract
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win scottish cup

i already regard him as a great manager anyway, but those would help
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[OxgangsHibby]

Re-signing deeks (obv)
That cup coming home
Ronaldinho on loan ?!?


I'll get ma jaiket .....

[Greenmachine]

He has to win a trophy for a start. Greatness is attained by achievement in football, and TM has still to achieve success at Easter Road. He is a very good manager, and has done well for Hibs so far, but he needs to do more. His outburst in the media a couple of weeks ago has meant he has went down in my estimation a wee bit, but I would rather he was our manager than not.

As long as we keep progressing, I still think we can win cups and challenge at the top with Mowbray at the helm. Let's start showing some real ambition for once though. We are a big enough club to achieve success and win honours.

[Quagmire]

win the cup, simple as

[frazgilbert]

he needs to get us into the scottish cup final whcih was oviosly a big disappointment this year. I think that he has done well still winning the most derbys that weve ever one in a season for a good cuple o yrs.

[18HIBERNIAN75]

Win the Scottish
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With the team/squad we have, stay injury free next season we could achieve Champs League (sure he'd stick around for another year for a crack at that)

Greatness if he could achieve that with Hibs in such a short period of time.

[HailHail]

win a trophy, obviously

don't preside over a 5 year winless derby run

don't have played for rangers earlier in your career.


1 out of 3 aint bad eh lexo?
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[blue toon hibby]

Originally Posted by Kenny

the guy has broken some long standing hoodoos (winning in both ends of glasgow and in dunfermline and tynie (5yrs)), stands on the verge of taking hibs to europe in back-to-back seasons (first time since the 70's) - but has performed poorly in two semi finals...and one no silver ware.

is he a great manager - who was the last Great manager and what more does he need to achieve to be a great manager...

Not yet but getting there

Turnbull

Win something

[Alan Gordon]

Although Mowbray has been a great manager for us, I have a feeling he will be remembered, in years to come, as the manager of Hibs who lost the Semi-Final and twice (heavily) to the hearts. I hope I'm wrong.
It's going to take a very exceptional manager who wins the cup at Hibs, if ever.

[Pilrig]

If he succeeded in persuading RP to persuade STF to loosen the purse strings sufficiently for his to keep the promising young players fulfilling their potential with the OF or abroad.

[Davy]

[quote=SlovSam]

I'd put forward the theory that Hibs have actually never had a 'Great' manager.......Shaw did but he was regarded as a coach/trainer

maybe so but he did the job of a manager, and if people can say that the Yams have a manager!! then Shaw more than qualifies and 3 league titles in 5 years plus 2 r/up in between, summer cup and somewhere in the region of a thousand goals will do for me. Im assumin he was boss throughout this period.

As for Turnbull I suppose it depends on the measure of what you consider GREAT. Ferguson won Europes best trophys with 2 different clubs and with Aberdeen they were no more than a provincial team, that was perhaps a bigger win than celtics European cup win when you match the resources available to both. Matched against someone like that then Turnbull was probably just above average.

I feel a bit sorry for TM or maybe rather Hibs seeing as TM looks set to leave in the near future, in that we in some way have emulated Aberdeen producing a fine set of young individual players but who because of the financial structures will not continue together to ply their trade for Hibernian, otherwise perhaps they could have achieved some form of greatness.

[Johnny Vegas]

he's a great to me

mowbray has changed the club around

just think what it was like watching hibs home and away under williamson-utter dire on and off the pitch

even if he's remembered for giving us all a bit more belief im sure he would be happy and he's turned some of our younger players into great players


i would still love to see him win the cup though

[Proclaimers]

Obviously he done very well to get us to third last season and if he could get us to europe again that would be another great feat.

I do believe though that something has went on behind the scenes with certain players, Rudge for example.

His signings have either been a stroke of genius or total gash. With the money he has available, he has done quite well.

I lost quite a large amount of the respect I had for him because of his outbursts in the media. Petrie and Hibs took one hell of a risk putting him in charge which he does not realise and the whole "What can I acheive here" shows hints he believes he is bigger than the club.

I do think though that keeping us at the right end of the table for a second season, something Mcleish didn't do even though he spent money like it was going out of fashion, is a great acheivement with the money available.

So for me, yes a very very good job up till now, but there have been too many dissapointments for him to be a "Great" manager.

[GloryGlory]

Mowbray has taken us no further than any other manager. Untill he does something someone else hasnt he'll never be great nor will any other manager.

[Greenmachine]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Although Mowbray has been a great manager for us, I have a feeling he will be remembered, in years to come, as the manager of Hibs who lost the Semi-Final and twice (heavily) to the hearts. I hope I'm wrong.
It's going to take a very exceptional manager who wins the cup at Hibs, if ever.

Well, the much-maligned Bobby Williamson managed to do it with Killie in 1997, Jumbo Jobbies with the farts a year later, Tommy McLean with Motherwell in 1991, Ivan Golac with Dundee United in 1994, and even Alex Smith with St Mirren (1987) and Aberdeen (1990).

None of these managers could be described as exceptional, and all of them have won the Scottish Cup in the last 20 years with non-old firm teams. It just takes self-belief, determination, and good organisation. One day, we may get a manager who can instil all of these qualities into the team in the games where it really counts, and give the magnificent and loyal Hibs supporters some long overdue glory.

[Broxburn_Hibby]

Scottish cup has to be won,he does that and theres no way he could be anything but a great manager
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[crabbitt]

Stick around a bit longer and win a trophy.

Turnbull was the last great Hibs manager imo, we were playing great football and won a trophy. His failing came when he tried to move us up to the next level and started to break up the great team he had created. In retrospect he probably stayed around to long.

Stein was a great manager but didn't stay around long enough with Hibs to be considered a great Hibs manager.

[Tully]

win a trophy