What are your expectations of Hibs? - HibeesBounce.com

The__Proclaimer · 17-04-06, 20:07

Tony Mowbray isn't good as he thinks he is and Hibs are underachieving acording to the latest mood on the bounce. I think that's pish. Lets look at Hibs in my entire lifetime or to put it another way in a generation.

Since 1982 we have won one trophy, we have qualified for Europe three times, our best league position has been 3rd and that has only been achieved three times 1995, 2000, 2005.

That is our record in nearly 25 years.

What do you really expect of Hibs? Do you think you are being realistic?

**DarrenSQH** · 17-04-06, 20:09

Im happy with fourth. That is the same as what i have seen and im happy with 4th. Even more now that we cant compete with hearts spending power.

**Grant1875** · 17-04-06, 20:13

I would expect to have a fairly decent season next season if we can get our full team back, I think we are the best team in the league at full flight, we've proved that with some of the results we've had this season when the full 11 have been on the field, the only thing is consistency, and of course lack of depth when it comes to injuries.

Next year will probably be Mogga's last season, so I hope it's one to remember.

Pilrig · 17-04-06, 20:15

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Originally Posted by SQHibs

Im happy with fourth. That is the same as what i have seen and im happy with 4th. Even more now that we cant compete with hearts spending power.

It was always a truism that we couldn't compete with Rantic for fanbase or financial backing, now it seems we can't compete with oor Gorgie pals moneywise either, how damning is that of Tam 'n' Rod ?

BigBadBouncer · 17-04-06, 20:17

But the difference is, we know where our club will stand financially in 5 years time.

**DarrenSQH** · 17-04-06, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Pilrig

It was always a truism that we couldn't compete with Rantic for fanbase or financial backing, now it seems we can't compete with oor Gorgie pals moneywise either, how damning is that of Tam 'n' Rod ?

I dont see it as there fault. Tom farmer saved us when we so nearly became part of hearts , he never said he would make us the biggest team in scotland and provide the money for us to get to a level to compete with the old firm. Rod is doing the best he can to keep the debt from piling up. No one wants us to end up like Leeds, Napoli, Fiorentina.

**Grant1875** · 17-04-06, 20:20

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Originally Posted by BigBadBouncer

But the difference is, we know where our club will stand financially in 5 years time.

I think your right, I reckon it will all end in tears for them, Romonov can do what he wants with them, as soon as he decides he cannie be arsed with them, they are fcuked.

Young_hibee · 17-04-06, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Grant1875

I would expect to have a fairly decent season next season if we can get our full team back, I think we are the best team in the league at full flight, we've proved that with some of the results we've had this season when the full 11 have been on the field, the only thing is consistency, and of course lack of depth when it comes to injuries.

Next year will probably be Mogga's last season, so I hope it's one to remember.

could this not be his last season if boro or ipswich go for him.

**KABULHIBBY** · 17-04-06, 20:36

Realistically I expect us to achieve Euro qualification on a 2/3 yearly cycle until we actually strengthen the quality depth of the team.

I expect 1/4 finals of both cup competitions as a minimum, depending on draw,ie avoiding of Rantic. Semis of at least one per season as a wee bonus BUT at least one semi every two years. Finals are an as and when but 3/4 year cycle is acceptable.

League,I expect us to be top six minimum no real excuses over the year we should have a strong enough squad to get the points in the bag. I would like to see us hold onto the coat tails of the leaders until probably after xmas it's usually then that the lack of quality and strength in depth is felt the most.

I would like to think that ER is a ground that no team wants to come to and get a wee feeling that Rangers and Celtic players don't look forward to their day in the LSS especially over the last few seasons

Pilrig · 17-04-06, 20:39

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Originally Posted by SQHibs

I dont see it as there fault. Tom farmer saved us when we so nearly became part of hearts , he never said he would make us the biggest team in scotland and provide the money for us to get to a level to compete with the old firm. Rod is doing the best he can to keep the debt from piling up. No one wants us to end up like Leeds, Napoli, Fiorentina.

Of course we don't want to end up in financial skid row, but for Christ sake could'nt STF bump his head accidently, no harm to the man but just enough to make him stump a little more.

OK we can't compete financially with the Sisters but surely we shouldn't be the poor counterpart of the herz ?

Well he did save us of sorts, but he had to get his arm twisted to do it, another thing he didn't step in until Edinburgh Hibernian went to the recievers, and there's still doubt as to what he truly thought of the Mercer takeover AT THE TIME.

**bennyk** · 17-04-06, 20:49

There are unproven stories that he was speaking to Mercer at that time

**KABULHIBBY** · 17-04-06, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Pilrig

Well he did save us of sorts, but he had to get his arm twisted to do it, another thing he didn't step in until Edinburgh Hibernian went to the recievers, and there's still doubt as to what he truly thought of the Mercer takeover AT THE TIME.

Now I don't wish to cast doubts over STFs philanthropic ideals however a small trawl of companies house might provide certain conspiracy theorists with some ammunition.

All I will say is that STF is a businessman, and a pretty good one at that......You don't get to be like that through not being ruthless.

**SkyeHibs** · 17-04-06, 21:03

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Originally Posted by The__Proclaimer

Tony Mowbray isn't good as he thinks he is and Hibs are underachieving acording to the latest mood on the bounce. I think that's pish. Lets look at Hibs in my entire lifetime or to put it another way in a generation.

Since 1982 we have won one trophy, we have qualified for Europe three times, our best league position has been 3rd and that has only been achieved three times 1995, 2000, 2005.

That is our record in nearly 25 years.

What do you really expect of Hibs? Do you think you are being realistic?

I understand where you are coming from. Our record over the last 25 years is not very good. I was born in 1961 and saw Hibs from the mid 1960's onwards. When I was growing up it was taken for granted that Hibs would qualify for Europe and we did on a very regular basis. For me Euro qualification pretty well every year and the occassional cup success should be a realistic level of expectation.

Colr · 17-04-06, 21:16

I expect nothing..... and receive it in abundance.

JimboH · 17-04-06, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Grant1875

I think we are the best team in the league at full flight, we've proved that with some of the results we've had this season when the full 11 have been on the field

Get real.

**chishibs7** · 17-04-06, 21:27

I expect to meet my mates before the match, have a few beers and a chinwag. After this i expect to proceed to Easter Road to watch the Hibees and then back to the pub to talk about the match/get pissed/stay out too late/ fall out with the wife/ crash at a pals hoose/ grovel to wife the day after etc. The result of the match is always important to me but not as important as having a team to watch and socialise around, throwing money away trying to keep up with the yams is utter folly. Anyone remember how we felt in the summer of 1990? We may not be progressing as fast as some would like but we are making progress. I followed Hibs through the Miller years and if anyone is not happy with the way the club is moving or the football we are playing then may i suggest you do one. I for one am happier at the direction the club is moving in now than i have been for many years. We're not perfect but then who is ?

jnr_hibee · 17-04-06, 21:33

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Originally Posted by JimboH

Get real.

Go back to your cave

**GloryGlory** · 17-04-06, 21:34

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Originally Posted by The__Proclaimer

Tony Mowbray isn't good as he thinks he is and Hibs are underachieving acording to the latest mood on the bounce. I think that's pish. Lets look at Hibs in my entire lifetime or to put it another way in a generation.

Since 1982 we have won one trophy, we have qualified for Europe three times, our best league position has been 3rd and that has only been achieved three times 1995, 2000, 2005.

That is our record in nearly 25 years.

What do you really expect of Hibs? Do you think you are being realistic?

Ach well I suppose your right. Lets all just not bother having ambition. Next time we see a shite player in the green lets not moan about it because we are obviously a club with no hope going nowhere. Why should we expect better. Next time Mogga gets no money to spend on players lets just be content with that because we shouldnt expect much from Hibs at all. Mediocre till I die, Yafuckinghoo

Greenmachine · 17-04-06, 21:34

I think that Hibs have underachieved big-time over the last 30 years or so, since about the time of the club's centenary in 1975. It may come as a surprise to a lot of younger Hibs fans, but prior to this, Hibs were seen as a very big club, the major threat to the Old Firm, and had a decent reputation in Europe. The key thing of course was that at that time we thought big, and were run as a big club, by a man who knew how great Hibs could be. Tom Hart felt that nothing was too good for Hibs. He wanted the best manager, the best players, and importantly genuine success for the club. He was too loyal to Eddie Turnbull ultimately, and ever since that time the fans expectations have been gradually dumbed down by a succession of little men who looked upon Hibs as just another mid-table club in Scotland like Motherwell, Aberdeen, or Kilmarnock.

We are now at the stage where we feel almost embarrased when we get near to success, and we have a generation of Hibs fans who have been so conditioned to mediocrity and failure, that it doesn't seem right that we should be winning things and challenging the Old Firm. We as a capital city football club, capable of taking 35,000 fans to Hampden, have been shafted from a great height by the custodians of our club for too many years IMO.

In our history, the time when we were at our most successful, we have had people like Canon Edward Hannan, Dan McMichael, Harry Swan, and Tom Hart running the show. People with a genuine love for the club, and who knew how great it was. Hibs have plugged along for the last 30 years, with various directors, chairmen, and owners taking the fans tremendous loyalty for granted. We have lacked vision for years at the top. Our great club is currently run by a guy who is no more than an appointee of a man who is not even interested in football, never mind harbours serious ambitions for Hibs to succeed.

As I posted yesterday, we need new investment (btw this is the Directors job at any ambitious football club), and IMO new dynamic leadership to take us forward as a club into the next decade. It has to be the right people at the top, before it can be right throughout the rest of the club. We need people who recognise Hibs true potential, and have the drive and energy necessary to achieve that potential. Yes, we have to make sure that we never get into a situation like 1990 again, but that came about through yet another 2 numpties on an ego trip taking the fans for idiots. That must never be allowed to happen again.

I believe Hibs should at the very least be a top 3 club every season. When we get to Hampden for Cup Finals and semi's, Hibs should be the team with the hunger and desire to win, not Ayr United and Livingston. That is what we have been reduced to, and we have to recognise that we as a club can achieve so much more than we have done. All it takes is real ambition, a big club mentality coming from the top, proper investment in the youth system and the first team, and hard, hard work. There is no other way to achieve the success we want IMO.

The__Proclaimer · 17-04-06, 21:36

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Originally Posted by GloryGlory

Ach well I suppose your right.Mediocre till I die, Yafuckinghoo

My point is things are not as bad as people are making out. The last 2 seasons have been anything but mediocre.

**GloryGlory** · 17-04-06, 21:39

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Originally Posted by The__Proclaimer

My point is things are not as bad as people are making out. The last 2 seasons have been anything but mediocre.

Exactly thats the point. The amount of promise and potential is this team is unreal. Why cant we expect more. Should we just enjoy it while it lasts, once again winning nothing, all because we have never done so in the past. Honestly I would rather sit and watch a mediocre Hibs team season after season with no real expectations than to see such a promising team like this waste away and pissed down the drain.

Smurf · 17-04-06, 21:40

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Originally Posted by The__Proclaimer

My point is things are not as bad as people are making out. The last 2 seasons have been anything but mediocre.

I agree. My expectations are what we've achieved in recent years since Blob was removed and Mogga installed.

My concern is that we look more likely to hit a snake than continue on the ladders. Mogga appears to feel the same going by his media comments in the past few days.

The__Proclaimer · 17-04-06, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Smurf

My concern is that we look more likely to hit a snake than continue on the ladders. Mogga appears to feel the same going by his media comments in the past few days.

So without coming into, and then spending silly money how do you see us 'climbing the ladder'?

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The__Proclaimer A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Sunshine Age: 25 Posts: 3,983 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 11	What are your expectations of Hibs? Tony Mowbray isn't good as he thinks he is and Hibs are underachieving acording to the latest mood on the bounce. I think that's pish. Lets look at Hibs in my entire lifetime or to put it another way in a generation. Since 1982 we have won one trophy, we have qualified for Europe three times, our best league position has been 3rd and that has only been achieved three times 1995, 2000, 2005. That is our record in nearly 25 years. What do you really expect of Hibs? Do you think you are being realistic? __________________ 'I'd rather see my sister in a brothel than my brother in a Hearts scarf'

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DarrenSQH Radge Flag Owner and Private Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Queensferry Posts: 3,226 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 10	Re: What are your expectations of Hibs? Im happy with fourth. That is the same as what i have seen and im happy with 4th. Even more now that we cant compete with hearts spending power.

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Grant1875 Got my nipple pierced in tenerife radge Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Playa da Whitecraig Age: 26 Posts: 4,386 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 8	Re: What are your expectations of Hibs? I would expect to have a fairly decent season next season if we can get our full team back, I think we are the best team in the league at full flight, we've proved that with some of the results we've had this season when the full 11 have been on the field, the only thing is consistency, and of course lack of depth when it comes to injuries. Next year will probably be Mogga's last season, so I hope it's one to remember. __________________ We've got style baby we've got class, hiiiibees ya bas

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BigBadBouncer The Biggest Baddest Bounciest Radge Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Edinburgh Age: 18 Posts: 722 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 4	Re: What are your expectations of Hibs? But the difference is, we know where our club will stand financially in 5 years time. __________________ In Leith the sun shines bright, high above a sea of green, and on the field below's the greatest football team...

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KABULHIBBY Radge Private Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Newcastle Age: 42 Posts: 3,203 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 10	Re: What are your expectations of Hibs? Realistically I expect us to achieve Euro qualification on a 2/3 yearly cycle until we actually strengthen the quality depth of the team. I expect 1/4 finals of both cup competitions as a minimum, depending on draw,ie avoiding of Rantic. Semis of at least one per season as a wee bonus BUT at least one semi every two years. Finals are an as and when but 3/4 year cycle is acceptable. League,I expect us to be top six minimum no real excuses over the year we should have a strong enough squad to get the points in the bag. I would like to see us hold onto the coat tails of the leaders until probably after xmas it's usually then that the lack of quality and strength in depth is felt the most. I would like to think that ER is a ground that no team wants to come to and get a wee feeling that Rangers and Celtic players don't look forward to their day in the LSS especially over the last few seasons __________________ When i was young my father told me just bad guys die! At that time just a little white lie. It was one of the first but it hurt me the most And the truth stung like tears in my eyes That even the good guys must die!

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Colr The Radge Doon the Road Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Age: 41 Posts: 20,550 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 37	Re: What are your expectations of Hibs? I expect nothing..... and receive it in abundance. __________________ There is a simple answer to every question..........and it's wrong. Einstein

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chishibs7 Pickled Radge Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: sunny Dalkeith Age: 41 Posts: 119 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 3	Re: What are your expectations of Hibs? I expect to meet my mates before the match, have a few beers and a chinwag. After this i expect to proceed to Easter Road to watch the Hibees and then back to the pub to talk about the match/get pissed/stay out too late/ fall out with the wife/ crash at a pals hoose/ grovel to wife the day after etc. The result of the match is always important to me but not as important as having a team to watch and socialise around, throwing money away trying to keep up with the yams is utter folly. Anyone remember how we felt in the summer of 1990? We may not be progressing as fast as some would like but we are making progress. I followed Hibs through the Miller years and if anyone is not happy with the way the club is moving or the football we are playing then may i suggest you do one. I for one am happier at the direction the club is moving in now than i have been for many years. We're not perfect but then who is ?

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Greenmachine A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Edinburgh Age: 43 Posts: 4,484 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 11	Re: What are your expectations of Hibs? I think that Hibs have underachieved big-time over the last 30 years or so, since about the time of the club's centenary in 1975. It may come as a surprise to a lot of younger Hibs fans, but prior to this, Hibs were seen as a very big club, the major threat to the Old Firm, and had a decent reputation in Europe. The key thing of course was that at that time we thought big, and were run as a big club, by a man who knew how great Hibs could be. Tom Hart felt that nothing was too good for Hibs. He wanted the best manager, the best players, and importantly genuine success for the club. He was too loyal to Eddie Turnbull ultimately, and ever since that time the fans expectations have been gradually dumbed down by a succession of little men who looked upon Hibs as just another mid-table club in Scotland like Motherwell, Aberdeen, or Kilmarnock. We are now at the stage where we feel almost embarrased when we get near to success, and we have a generation of Hibs fans who have been so conditioned to mediocrity and failure, that it doesn't seem right that we should be winning things and challenging the Old Firm. We as a capital city football club, capable of taking 35,000 fans to Hampden, have been shafted from a great height by the custodians of our club for too many years IMO. In our history, the time when we were at our most successful, we have had people like Canon Edward Hannan, Dan McMichael, Harry Swan, and Tom Hart running the show. People with a genuine love for the club, and who knew how great it was. Hibs have plugged along for the last 30 years, with various directors, chairmen, and owners taking the fans tremendous loyalty for granted. We have lacked vision for years at the top. Our great club is currently run by a guy who is no more than an appointee of a man who is not even interested in football, never mind harbours serious ambitions for Hibs to succeed. As I posted yesterday, we need new investment (btw this is the Directors job at any ambitious football club), and IMO new dynamic leadership to take us forward as a club into the next decade. It has to be the right people at the top, before it can be right throughout the rest of the club. We need people who recognise Hibs true potential, and have the drive and energy necessary to achieve that potential. Yes, we have to make sure that we never get into a situation like 1990 again, but that came about through yet another 2 numpties on an ego trip taking the fans for idiots. That must never be allowed to happen again. I believe Hibs should at the very least be a top 3 club every season. When we get to Hampden for Cup Finals and semi's, Hibs should be the team with the hunger and desire to win, not Ayr United and Livingston. That is what we have been reduced to, and we have to recognise that we as a club can achieve so much more than we have done. All it takes is real ambition, a big club mentality coming from the top, proper investment in the youth system and the first team, and hard, hard work. There is no other way to achieve the success we want IMO. __________________ Today is a gift, that's why it's called the present.