What a Stupid Idea

[Colr]

More genius from Mr Bean's government:-

New proposals by Caroline Flint, the housing minister, that people living in social housing should seek work as part of their tenancy agreements have been derided by MPs and charities.

In an interview with the Guardian today, Flint said that up to a million people in social housing, including those on council estates, ought to look for jobs as a condition of receiving housing.

Flint said that her proposals were aimed at tackling the culture of "no one works round here" and included opening up more jobcentres on the estates themselves.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homea...252761,00.html

[Briant]

Originally Posted by Colr

Flint said that her proposals were aimed at tackling the culture of "no one works round here" and included opening up more jobcentres on the estates themselves.

That will generate a few more jobs

[Stirlinghibee]

I heard this with disbelief. If anything tells you how far away from the founding principles of Keir Hardies party, "Nu Labour" is, it is this. What do these bastards want? Babies in refugee tents? Shanty towns?

However, I think it is a "Nu Labour" trick that has been used many times of coming out with an outrageous statement as a "first draft" , that the media pick up on, then legislating a "milder" position . This "Milder" position would have been the cause of protest if it came out first , but it is accepted as it is better than the "Outrageous" first draft. The "held without charge" is a good example of Nu Labours craftyness, remember it started off as "90 days!".

[Colr]

And then they'll be surprised when nobody believes a word they say!! For, example "I like to listen to the Artic Monkeys in the morning" and ""I really enjoyed the goal Paul Gascoigne scored for England against Scotland in the European Championship".

[Dr Shrink]

Perhaps it hasn’t dawned on these people that because of the shortage of social rented housing there simply isn’t enough to go around. One of the consequences of the shortage is that social landlords such as Housing Associations and Local Authorities have to target the scarce resource towards those in most housing need. Obviously that favours groups such as single parent families, those with disabilities, perhaps mental illness or learning difficulties or even drug and alcohol dependency problems. Generally the groups in society who are likely to become homeless.

Oh. And unemployed.

Silly bitch.

[Keepitgreen]

Hang on, making the scroungers get a job before they get their free flat?

Um...

This might be a good thing?

Am I missing something?

[Stirlinghibee]

Originally Posted by Keepitgreen

Hang on, making the scroungers get a job before they get their free flat?

Um...

This might be a good thing?

Am I missing something?

An Rich ,advanced nation in 2008 (which has companys that make a £14,000,000,000 profit after tax!) has a basic social contract with all it's people .

1. They should not starve.

2. They should have shelter.


These are the core things ... Nothing is more important. If you cant afford anything else, you should have these at least.

Where does an unemployed person go after being thrown out of his/her and the childrens "free" flat?

Begging like that poor bugger does outside Waverley? Living in a box under the St James Center?

We can afford to waste £4,000,000,000 a year on stupid fecking wars, so we can afford to give a family some dignity.

Remember , Unemployment and sickness can happen to anyone. We might all need the states help some day.

[Keepitgreen]

Originally Posted by Stennyhibee

An Rich ,advanced nation in 2008 (which has companys that make a £14,000,000,000 profit after tax!) has a basic social contract with all it's people .

1. They should not starve.

2. They should have shelter.


These are the core things ... Nothing is more important. If you cant afford anything else, you should have these at least.

Where does an unemployed person go after being thrown out of his/her and the childrens "free" flat?

Begging like that poor bugger does outside Waverley? Living in a box under the St James Center?

We can afford to waste £4,000,000,000 a year on stupid fecking wars, so we can afford to give a family some dignity.

Remember , Unemployment and sickness can happen to anyone. We might all need the states help some day.

I totally understand that Stennyhibee. I'd never want to see a family, disabled or elderly person on the streets.

However, I personally know of a number of jakies who have council flats. They have jakie mates who are drug addicts, thieving for their habit. They don't work, they either claim JSA or Disability. They run these flats into the ground then run off to a hostel for a bit before being re-housed.

These kants can GTF for me. Honestly. Get a job ya waster. Contribute in some small way please before my hard-earned sorts you out with everything you need to live a comfy life.

Ach sometimes I don't feel like this but sometimes I do. Making someone work can't be that bad an idea. If they can, they should. All the immigrants stuff is highlighting that the jobs are there to be done.

[Keepitgreen]

OK I've thought about this some more and I realise I sound like a raging Tory with the above posts. I'm talking completely subjectively and in a small-minded manner.

The govt idea in the main is daft but I think it could be applied to a certain type of claimant. I think that's the gist of what I meant.

[stubru59]

Originally Posted by Colr

More genius from Mr Bean's government:-

New proposals by Caroline Flint, the housing minister, that people living in social housing should seek work as part of their tenancy agreements have been derided by MPs and charities.

In an interview with the Guardian today, Flint said that up to a million people in social housing, including those on council estates, ought to look for jobs as a condition of receiving housing.

Flint said that her proposals were aimed at tackling the culture of "no one works round here" and included opening up more jobcentres on the estates themselves.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homea...252761,00.html

The crooks, scroungers and layabouts are running the show.

Fraud? Well that's just an administrative error. Handling stolen goods? A pal that has a pal gave me a political donation.

Social Housing? Is that not a scheme whereupon you pay off your mortgage, place the property in trust, and then charge the taxpayer £30,000 a year to live in the property?

No. that's just an MP's perk and all perfectly legal.

I care not what they say. I see what they do.

[hibs1986]

Originally Posted by Keepitgreen

OK I've thought about this some more and I realise I sound like a raging Tory with the above posts. I'm talking completely subjectively and in a small-minded manner.

The govt idea in the main is daft but I think it could be applied to a certain type of claimant. I think that's the gist of what I meant.

And would you want to employ him / her????lookaround:

[egb_hibs]

nulabour are getting more and more like real socialism.

surveillance everywhere, fictional statistics, moralising laws, and increasingly draconian measures.

they just need to start shooting tardy workers and we'll have the whole lenin / trotsky experience.

[brianmac]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

nulabour are getting more and more like real socialism.

surveillance everywhere, fictional statistics, moralising laws, and increasingly draconian measures.

they just need to start shooting tardy workersand we'll have the whole lenin / trotsky experience.

I feckin hope not.

[madkink]

there is no way on earth that will happen, never would pass government, and if it did how quick would they be voted out at the next election?

[gun ainm]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

nulabour are getting more and more like real socialism.

surveillance everywhere, fictional statistics, moralising laws, and increasingly draconian measures.

they just need to start shooting tardy workers and we'll have the whole lenin / trotsky experience.

[Keepitgreen]

Originally Posted by hibs1986

And would you want to employ him / her????lookaround:

Fair point, but some employers seem to be taking on foreigners with no real checks as to their background, history etc so I don't see the difference with taking on a jakie Scot.

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

nulabour are getting more and more like real socialism.

surveillance everywhere, fictional statistics, moralising laws, and increasingly draconian measures.

they just need to start shooting tardy workers and we'll have the whole lenin / trotsky experience.

Ah but no-one really cares about the surveillance. I learnt this through a CCTV thread I posted a while back...

If you're not doing anything dodgy, what do you have to worry about?

[Colr]

I wnder if the policy will extend to non-working polygamists who they announced will get extra benefits for their extra wives.

[Stirlinghibee]

Originally Posted by Keepitgreen

OK I've thought about this some more and I realise I sound like a raging Tory with the above posts. I'm talking completely subjectively and in a small-minded manner.

The govt idea in the main is daft but I think it could be applied to a certain type of claimant. I think that's the gist of what I meant.

You are not sounding like a Tory, You are talking common sense. My Dad was a council joiner before he retired , and his job was fixing up council houses after the previous tenents left. A lot were from decent enough folk and they needed little attention. However, the Jakie types houses were a disgrace, with Pish, Shite and vomit all over the place, strewn with empty purple tins or special brew.

However, we again come to the conundrum here?

1. Do we want the Jakies homeless and wandering the streets hassling folk? or do we want them pished ,lying on the floor of the council house in a world of their own? Social work services can at least offer threm help here.

Council housing (Where I spent the first 14 years of my life, in a scheme) is this nations safety net, where unfortunate families (due to unemployment , Sickness, divorce, violence) can find a refuge and a community to rebuild themselves. After that, It is Hooverville.

But as I posted earlier, this reeks of Nu Labour's well worn spin . Expect a "review" to be announced, chaired by a Lord so and so..

[Colr]

Originally Posted by Stennyhibee

You are not sounding like a Tory, You are talking common sense. My Dad was a council joiner before he retired , and his job was fixing up council houses after the previous tenents left. A lot were from decent enough folk and they needed little attention. However, the Jakie types houses were a disgrace, with Pish, Shite and vomit all over the place, strewn with empty purple tins or special brew.

However, we again come to the conundrum here?

1. Do we want the Jakies homeless and wandering the streets hassling folk? or do we want them pished ,lying on the floor of the council house in a world of their own? Social work services can at least offer threm help here.

Council housing (Where I spent the first 14 years of my life, in a scheme) is this nations safety net, where unfortunate families (due to unemployment , Sickness, divorce, violence) can find a refuge and a community to rebuild themselves. After that, It is Hooverville.

But as I posted earlier, this reeks of Nu Labour's well worn spin . Expect a "review" to be announced, chaired by a Lord so and so..

An argument for dedicated sink estates?

[Stirlinghibee]

Originally Posted by Colr

An argument for dedicated sink estates?

It's either that or dedicated shanty towns. Dr Shrink hit the nail on the head,

"Perhaps it hasn’t dawned on these people that because of the shortage of social rented housing there simply isn’t enough to go around. One of the consequences of the shortage is that social landlords such as Housing Associations and Local Authorities have to target the scarce resource towards those in most housing need. Obviously that favours groups such as single parent families, those with disabilities, perhaps mental illness or learning difficulties or even drug and alcohol dependency problems. Generally the groups in society who are likely to become homeless.

Oh. And unemployed."

When I was living in my council house in the 70's , almost 95% of my school friends lived in the same type of area. There was a huge cross section of different jobs by the parents . Now I suspect it is only the poor buggers such as the good doctor describes who are mainly left. This is what is causing a "sink estate". The answer is more attractive housing being built so the people that left the estate can be persuaded to return, like what I enjoyed in the 1970's.

[Colr]

Originally Posted by Stennyhibee

It's either that or dedicated shanty towns. Dr Shrink hit the nail on the head,

"Perhaps it hasn’t dawned on these people that because of the shortage of social rented housing there simply isn’t enough to go around. One of the consequences of the shortage is that social landlords such as Housing Associations and Local Authorities have to targ