Cnd

[Colr]

Many of us where members. Do you think that they had any effect or influence on de-escalating the cold war?

[Rajazemmama2008]

They still active these days? me personally im too young for the cold war stuff, but im for nuclear weapons as a deterent.

[Burbank Lilywhite]

You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but what did 'Cnd' stand for?

[Bartok]

Originally Posted by Colr

Many of us where members. Do you think that they had any effect or influence on de-escalating the cold war?

No. Seen by most folk as long-haired loony-left donkey-jacket wearing vegetarian poofs. Not taken seriously by anyone in any government. Kent State shootings sorted em out good.

[Rajazemmama2008]

Originally Posted by Burbank Lilywhite

You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but what did 'Cnd' stand for?

Campaign "For" Nuclear Disarmerment

[egb_hibs]

a comintern plaything, whose only possible utility in hastening the end of the cold war would have been in helping us to lose it.

seriously col - an absolute archetype of the well meaning british middle classes being played by the russki's and their fifth columnists. fortunately there was a big flaw in the plan which dixie chick points out in post 4.

[psychocandy]

The cold war ended in 1968, the CND had no role in the decline of the soviets

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by psychocandy

The cold war ended in 1968

that's one way of looking at it

the CND had no role in the decline of the soviets

correct

[Colr]

any former members on here?

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by Colr

any former members on here?

there's a few i could speculate might be

[Colr]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

there's a few i could speculate might be

Then nail your colours to the mast.

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by Colr

Then nail your colours to the mast.

not me josephine.

however wee162 would be a candidate - expect he's possibly too youthful. some of the other left wing firebrands might well have been though.

or maybe some of our tambourine bashers - quaint to look back on a time when the left and the happy clappys were best buddies innit? seems like a different world.

[Sunshine on Leith]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

not me josephine.

however wee162 would be a candidate - expect he's possibly too youthful. some of the other left wing firebrands might well have been though.

or maybe some of our tambourine bashers - quaint to look back on a time when the left and the happy clappys were best buddies innit? seems like a different world.

Wouldn't have thought wee162 was a member, for that matter i'm more positive his auld man wasn't either.

[tortohibee]

no chance for me. if i was living in these days i would have been for the weapons. they were never used firstmost even in the worst times ie 1962/1983/84 the deterent factor stopped the world from annilating (spl) istself.thank god. we are now living in a fairly secure world without the threat and if we had got rid of the weapons i wonder if things might be different now, mabey aye maybe no. who cares all these lesbian milli/tant (viz) types protesting at greenham common was a great source of amusement at the time and i was only about 6 or 7. although the film threads scared the shite out of me


THREADS

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[brianmac]

The only thing the CND ever achieved was to give snotty faced little fuckers at my school a crappy design to draw, in black marker, on their hessian schoolbags.

Middle class cunts.

[alnewhaven]

Originally Posted by Colr

Many of us where members. Do you think that they had any effect or influence on de-escalating the cold war?

No. It was only when the USA raised the level of expenditure ( almost bankrupting themselves mind you ) that the Soviets acknowledged that they could not afford to compete

[alnewhaven]

Originally Posted by tortohibee

we are now living in a fairly secure world without the threat and if we had got rid of the weapons i wonder if things might be different now,

Interesting, in many ways I feel less secure now, as the threat of an unpredictable religious fanatic getting his hands on a nuke and using it seems more likely. The MAD policy did seem to bring some form of stability in that neither side could afford to provoke the other directly. ( It did lead to a lot of nasty little wars by proxy ). Maybe if I'd been older at the time of the Cuban crisis I might have felt differently, but I don't recall a time when I honestly thought that it was going to kick off. Subsequent releases of information reveal that we did get close to it ( almost accidentally ) on a few occasions, but at the time these were not publicised.

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by alnewhaven

Interesting, in many ways I feel less secure now, as the threat of an unpredictable religious fanatic getting his hands on a nuke and using it seems more likely. The MAD policy did seem to bring some form of stability in that neither side could afford to provoke the other directly. ( It did lead to a lot of nasty little wars by proxy ). Maybe if I'd been older at the time of the Cuban crisis I might have felt differently, but I don't recall a time when I honestly thought that it was going to kick off. Subsequent releases of information reveal that we did get close to it ( almost accidentally ) on a few occasions, but at the time these were not publicised.

i agree there's much more risk of a nuclear incident now than anytime since the early 60s. but there is not the same risk of an apocalyptic world ending exchange. that's only gonna reemege if russia goes back to communism/fascism which could happen.

[alnewhaven]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

i agree there's much more risk of a nuclear incident now than anytime since the early 60s. but there is not the same risk of an apocalyptic world ending exchange. that's only gonna reemege if russia goes back to communism/fascism which could happen.

Yeah I agree , but in a perverse way it did seem more stable then. The amount of weaponry by the 70s/80s meant that neither side could launch a first strike, and be certain of taking out enough to limit any retaliation, whereas the reduced numbers now, make this a possibility.

Regards CND, the major flaw in their argument for me, was that you cannot uninvent these weapons. Never convinced about the UKs need to maintain them, especially at the cost ( reduced our conventional forces never mind the number of hospitals etc the money could have been used for )

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Colr

Many of us where members. Do you think that they had any effect or influence on de-escalating the cold war?

It possibly did.

For many of us, it was one of our earliest if not first dip into politics.

As an organisation it wouldn't have achieved much more than raising public awareness of issues that were not widely known in those pre mass media days.

However it did get an generation of folk thinking maybe they should be more involved in governmental issues, and tought a new generation of folk that they did indeed have a voice and something to say.

Middle class



fecking cool logo btw

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by Sean

It possibly did.

For many of us, it was one of our earliest if not first dip into politics.

As an organisation it wouldn't have achieved much more than raising public awareness of issues that were not widely known in those pre mass media days.

However it did get an generation of folk thinking maybe they should be more involved in governmental issues, and tought a new generation of folk that they did indeed have a voice and something to say.

Middle class


fecking cool logo btw

it got a generation involved in championing the interests of a totalitarian regime?

i'll grant you that this does indeed appear to have been an enduring trend, but was it really a good thing.

i mean come on to feck sean - unilateral disarmament ffs - soviets hand was further up cnd's collective backside than rod hull's was emu's.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

it got a generation involved in championing the interests of a totalitarian regime?

Really, I didn't know that.

What generation? What totalitarian region did they champion? How did they champion it? Why did they champion it? How do you know all this?

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

i'll grant you that this does indeed appear to have been an enduring trend, but was it really a good thing.

I think so.

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

i mean come on to feck sean - unilateral disarmament ffs - soviets hand was further up cnd's collective backside than rod hull's was emu's.

Remind me again, what was the specific threat we were (nuclear)arming for