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Old 06-12-07, 00:58   #1
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Will take capacity up to 96,000 a rate of about 160 per 100,000 of pop.

Highest in the EU by miles and double france and germany
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Will take capacity up to 96,000 a rate of about 160 per 100,000 of pop.

Highest in the EU by miles and double france and germany
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Maybe we have double the number of criminals per 100,000 than either of them
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Highest in the EU by miles and double france and germany
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What's the alternatives though?

IMO it should only be those guilty of violent and sexual crimes under lock & key...
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IMO it should only be those guilty of violent and sexual crimes under lock & key...
Turn the Isle of Man into a penal colony.

Anyone remember Escape from New York? We could do the same with Airdrie.
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Anyone remember Escape from New York? We could do the same with Airdrie.

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Anyone remember Escape from New York? We could do the same with Airdrie.
Better still Gorgie..
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Old 06-12-07, 17:09   #7
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Airdrie's further away. Move all the Corgis there.
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Re: super prisons

I kind off like the idea of having one huge super-dooper prison somewhere. Say 20,000 capacity. Could build it on an island or outcrop somewhere. Bit of an issue for prisoners visitors, but apart from that it could be a very cost-effective solution, more efficient, and it would become a symbol of deterrence as so herculean and indomitable.
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We could call it Alcatraz
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Originally thought of Inchkeith (which has a passing resemblance - in the fog - to Alcatraz), but the punters could probably swim from there, so how about St Kilda?
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Old 06-12-07, 19:45   #11
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Doubt it but some reasons could be:

a) we, as a nation, have a pathological predisposition to crime
b) we are tougher than other EU nations on 'crime' by a factor of 2 or 3
c) other countries are too soft
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personally going for b. stats show our jails are full of working class males, many of whom have issues with literacy. theres a bit of a clue there about what can be done to reverse the trend.
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got a feeling the Manx might take issue with that as they're not even in the UK.
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Old 06-12-07, 20:28   #13
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this should have been done years ago
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what? increasing capacity by 20% or phasing out the victorian jails?
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increasing capacity, this problem has been going on for a few years now.
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Would you just keep on building prisons though? At some point you have got to stand back and ask why the number of people who commit crime keeps on increasing, no?
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IMO it should only be those guilty of violent and sexual crimes under lock & key...
So some areshole breaks into your house and nicks your stuff , what does he get ? Probation
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