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seven nil · 03-12-07, 14:32

Is there any chance we could sticky this one please???It came in an e-mail today, if you want to have a say now's your chance.It is not an issue that will disappear overnight and some may argue its the biggest commercial own goal for 50 years to affect a community,county and country.
I think its appalling that so few people were responsible for making such a big decision .I firmly believe that a proposal of this size,and implications must go to the Scottish executive for proper consultation.This is an horrendous own goal and has made the shire community a laughing stock (,Mr Ford, the gent with the casting vote wasn't even wearing a shirt and tie for TV interviews).How will future generations view the incompetent way things were done relating to this proposal which is not just a local project or indeed Scottish project, its a worldwide initiative that puts Scotland on the map to a global audience of high spend ABC 1 demographic people who spend money on their hobbies,which we as a nation cannot afford to miss out on.If anything the proposal would only enhance a rural area leading to more people coming to visit this county and country.This is a real national scandal and only we can do our bit to rectify this situation.

As you may have seen in the news, Donald Trump's golf course has been rejected by a committee of the Aberdeenshire council. I do not know all your views are about this, but if you are against the golf course, please delete this e-mail, and I'm sorry for disturbing you.

Right! Now that you have decided to read on, I assume that you may be either intrigued by all the fuss, or appalled that such a development has been rejected by a single deciding vote. Although we live in a democracy, I have not met a single person against this development. Bear in mind that I do live in an area which will be directly affected by any development at Menie, which will bring more traffic.

However, with that, it will bring massive investment into our area £1 billion plus initial investment. Donald Trump is not going to ship things in from the USA to build this course, it will be sourced here. THAT PUTS MONEY INTO THE SCOTTISH ECONOMY - and will benefit us all, no matter if we live in Balmedie, Cults or Elgin (even Auchnagatt!). The meat and veg for his restaurants will come from our farms, the booze from our breweries and distilleries. The materials to build his development will be UK sourced. Need I go on?

Moreover, the image given of our area now is one of small mindedness, and stupidity. I have read a lot of books about Aberdeen, and the shire before oil came, and in its first few years, and we were seen to be inwardlooking, backwards and tighter than a ducks bum for spending money. 35 years later, nothing has changed, except we've become more greedy. When major oil conferences come, some room rates went up 700% during Offshore Europe in September this year. What message does that send to the world? Not the right one in my opinion.

We forget that once the oil declines (and it will go slowly bit by bit) there is nothing here to sustain a population the size of Aberdeen. The tourism we have here is a small part of our economy, The ship building went in 1992, textiles last year and the fishing, farming, and papermaking industry are a mere sliver of what they once were 40 years ago. We need to attract investment now - we've already lost the opportunity to have the UK energy institute based here, and the UK Carbon Capture project - what more opportunities must pass us by?

Now's your chance if you feel inclined to start to change that attitude I respectfully ask you to go to the following petition on the Downing Street web site to log your protest against the council decision. It is possible for the government to overturn the council decision.

The site is [Only Registered Users Can See Links. Click Here To Register]

Please do make the effort to sign it, and show the UK and the world we are not just a bunch of greedy, inward looking sheep fanciers. Again, please pass on the link to those who you feel who might/would support this.

I'm only doing this as for the first time in my life I am almost ashamed to say I live in Aberdeenshire.

Thank you
Scotty

Smurf · 03-12-07, 14:35

It's the kind of mentality that makes me fear Scottish Independence. Madness.

**Decal Joe** · 03-12-07, 14:45

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It's the kind of mentality that makes me fear Scottish Independence. Madness.

It's this kind of irrelevant comment that makes me think you're a right plum sometimes!

**Dub** · 03-12-07, 14:46

I'm happy to support this. I cant understand why the bloke [cant remember his name] who had the casting vote decided against the scheme. He did ramble on a bit on telly about it not being the actual scheme but some relevant parts of the proposal he objected to...when I woke up he was still talking.

I know and understand that the ecology is important but as far as I understand it Donald Trump had made plans to ensure that the ecology wouldnt suffer or at least wouldnt suffer too much. Turning down a billion pounds of inward investment is surely out of order.

baggageandfibs · 03-12-07, 14:48

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It's the kind of mentality that makes me fear Scottish Independence. Madness.

What the guy above's attitude or the decision?

I'm personally delighted they rejected this. I've never been to that part of the country but I understand it is an sssi and is stunning.

Well done the cooncil for not bowing down to trump and his bullying henchman. They would have ruined a beautiful part of scotland forever to satisfy the ego of a total prick who wants to show how big a dick he's got. No thanks, even though you would have built 1,500 hooses and created loads of McJobs.

**Dub** · 03-12-07, 14:51

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What the guy above's attitude or the decision?

I'm personally delighted they rejected this. I've never been to that part of the country but I understand it is an sssi and is stunning.

Well done the cooncil for not bowing down to trump and his bullying henchman. They would have ruined a beautiful part of scotland forever to satisfy the ego of a total prick who wants to show how big a dick he's got. No thanks, even though you would have built 5,000 hooses and created loads of McJobs.

Its easy for people not affected by the rejection of the proposal to be blase about it all. If Donald Trump was true to his word and made plans to protect the wildlife and to a great extent to protect the beauty of the area [golf courses dont need to be ugly you know] then why is it ok to turn down all that money?

**wee 162** · 03-12-07, 14:54

Scotland needs another golf course like it needs a new fried food invented.

**SG7nil** · 03-12-07, 14:55

While I think it's a massive own goal for Aberdeenshire, and would happily sign the petition for that reason, I have to question whether it is within our remit to vote for something that isn't local to ourselves?

Where does it all end?... imagine Donald Trump had instead been asking to build a nuclear dump beside Aberdeen... and the cooncil had said no... would it be our place to overrule their decision regarding their own locality? I think not, and for that reason alone I'll not be signing the petition... despite being of the opinion that the council were a bunch of sad gits!

Mibbie we should contact Donald and ask him if he wants to invest £1billion near Edinburgh.. I'm sure we wouldn't turn him down.. (and while he's at it, ask him if he'd like to buy a few shares in Hibs?)
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TonySoprano · 03-12-07, 14:56

I don''t know anywhere near enough about the proposals to comment on whether they're good or not.

I do find it quite amusing that a minor player like thon fellae gets final approval on a split vote for a billion dollar investment though.

TonySoprano · 03-12-07, 14:57

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Scotland needs another golf course like it needs a new fried food invented.

Fried rolos, the wave of the future.

baggageandfibs · 03-12-07, 14:59

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Its easy for people not affected by the rejection of the proposal to be blase about it all. If Donald Trump was true to his word and made plans to protect the wildlife and to a great extent to protect the beauty of the area [golf courses dont need to be ugly you know] then why is it ok to turn down all that money?

Blase eh? Blase is thinking because you are donald trump you can ride roughshod over a countries planning laws.

£1 billion investment? According to who...according to Trump. Started out at $500million US, then $1 billion US, now £1billion sterling yet the proposals are the same.
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**wee 162** · 03-12-07, 15:00

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Fried rolos, the wave of the future.

Already done. One of the chippies in Stockbridge will deep fry any item of confectionery for you on request.

There's propably some fecker in a kitchen who's pondering how to fry pasta as we type btw....

TonySoprano · 03-12-07, 15:02

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Already done. One of the chippies in Stockbridge will deep fry any item of confectionery for you on request.

There's propably some fecker in a kitchen who's pondering how to fry pasta as we type btw....

jesus. I wonder if anyone's asked for a deep fried Creme egg.

**southfieldhibby** · 03-12-07, 15:02

The only reason Trump chose the area he has is because of the housing, nothing at all to do with a golf course.If it was, he'd build the course near to where his mother was from...one of the Western Isles?He chose Menie because it's 15 minutes from an affluent city with an international airport so members from around the world can fly into Aberdeen and be in their holiday home in under an hour.A cynical point of view, but I've got personal experience of these types of developments and thats how these things are funded, whether its Scotland,Dubai or America

The one thing that I'd pick up from that e-mail is he is going to bring things in from America for the GC...the feckin grass!!He's proposing to use Bermuda grass iirc, hardly the normal turf for links golf and completley different to what any Scottish golf course uses.

With all that said, the development as a whole with give Aberdeenshire a great financial boost with the build and job creation aspect of it and as a golfer I look forward to playing his disneyfied links course if he gets it built.

**Oh aye, people keep on saying £1Billion, it's not, it's $1Billion...quite a difference

**Dr Shrink** · 03-12-07, 15:15

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Blase eh? Blase is thinking because you are donald trump you can ride roughshod over a countries planning laws.

£1 billion investment? According to who...according to Trump. Started out at $500million US, then $1 billion US, now £1billion sterling yet the proposals are the same.
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Using the same consultants that did the Scottish Parliament Building?

Personally I would have voted against it just because of Trump's haircut.
A golf course that would have been inaccessible to all but the very rich - houses built for the super rich in an area that is desperate for social housing?

What a loss.

Bye Donald.

Smurf · 03-12-07, 15:34

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It's this kind of irrelevant comment that makes me think you're a right plum sometimes!

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SouthfieldHibby calls it right with regards to the Housing aspect.

However, i'm still all for it! We should be welcoming investment wherever we can get it. We at times have this 'closed shop' mentality and it drives me to plums...
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**emerald green** · 03-12-07, 15:36

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Using the same consultants that did the Scottish Parliament Building?

Personally I would have voted against it just because of Trump's haircut.
A golf course that would have been inaccessible to all but the very rich - houses built for the super rich in an area that is desperate for social housing?

What a loss.

Bye Donald.

Agreed.

Im glad its been turned down :YAYYY:

Bag o'shite from start to finish.

03-12-07, 14:32	#1
seven nil Baby Radge Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts Rep Power: 0 vCash: 500 Arcade Stats:	Trump Proposal Is there any chance we could sticky this one please???It came in an e-mail today, if you want to have a say now's your chance.It is not an issue that will disappear overnight and some may argue its the biggest commercial own goal for 50 years to affect a community,county and country. I think its appalling that so few people were responsible for making such a big decision .I firmly believe that a proposal of this size,and implications must go to the Scottish executive for proper consultation.This is an horrendous own goal and has made the shire community a laughing stock (,Mr Ford, the gent with the casting vote wasn't even wearing a shirt and tie for TV interviews).How will future generations view the incompetent way things were done relating to this proposal which is not just a local project or indeed Scottish project, its a worldwide initiative that puts Scotland on the map to a global audience of high spend ABC 1 demographic people who spend money on their hobbies,which we as a nation cannot afford to miss out on.If anything the proposal would only enhance a rural area leading to more people coming to visit this county and country.This is a real national scandal and only we can do our bit to rectify this situation. As you may have seen in the news, Donald Trump's golf course has been rejected by a committee of the Aberdeenshire council. I do not know all your views are about this, but if you are against the golf course, please delete this e-mail, and I'm sorry for disturbing you. Right! Now that you have decided to read on, I assume that you may be either intrigued by all the fuss, or appalled that such a development has been rejected by a single deciding vote. Although we live in a democracy, I have not met a single person against this development. Bear in mind that I do live in an area which will be directly affected by any development at Menie, which will bring more traffic. However, with that, it will bring massive investment into our area £1 billion plus initial investment. Donald Trump is not going to ship things in from the USA to build this course, it will be sourced here. THAT PUTS MONEY INTO THE SCOTTISH ECONOMY - and will benefit us all, no matter if we live in Balmedie, Cults or Elgin (even Auchnagatt!). The meat and veg for his restaurants will come from our farms, the booze from our breweries and distilleries. The materials to build his development will be UK sourced. Need I go on? Moreover, the image given of our area now is one of small mindedness, and stupidity. I have read a lot of books about Aberdeen, and the shire before oil came, and in its first few years, and we were seen to be inwardlooking, backwards and tighter than a ducks bum for spending money. 35 years later, nothing has changed, except we've become more greedy. When major oil conferences come, some room rates went up 700% during Offshore Europe in September this year. What message does that send to the world? Not the right one in my opinion. We forget that once the oil declines (and it will go slowly bit by bit) there is nothing here to sustain a population the size of Aberdeen. The tourism we have here is a small part of our economy, The ship building went in 1992, textiles last year and the fishing, farming, and papermaking industry are a mere sliver of what they once were 40 years ago. We need to attract investment now - we've already lost the opportunity to have the UK energy institute based here, and the UK Carbon Capture project - what more opportunities must pass us by? Now's your chance if you feel inclined to start to change that attitude I respectfully ask you to go to the following petition on the Downing Street web site to log your protest against the council decision. It is possible for the government to overturn the council decision. The site is [Only Registered Users Can See Links. Click Here To Register] Please do make the effort to sign it, and show the UK and the world we are not just a bunch of greedy, inward looking sheep fanciers. Again, please pass on the link to those who you feel who might/would support this. I'm only doing this as for the first time in my life I am almost ashamed to say I live in Aberdeenshire. Thank you Scotty

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southfieldhibby ---------------------------- Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: EH15 Posts: 3,294 Thanks: 4 Thanked 27 Times in 15 Posts Rep Power: 11 vCash: 500 Arcade Stats:	Re: Trump Proposal The only reason Trump chose the area he has is because of the housing, nothing at all to do with a golf course.If it was, he'd build the course near to where his mother was from...one of the Western Isles?He chose Menie because it's 15 minutes from an affluent city with an international airport so members from around the world can fly into Aberdeen and be in their holiday home in under an hour.A cynical point of view, but I've got personal experience of these types of developments and thats how these things are funded, whether its Scotland,Dubai or America The one thing that I'd pick up from that e-mail is he is going to bring things in from America for the GC...the feckin grass!!He's proposing to use Bermuda grass iirc, hardly the normal turf for links golf and completley different to what any Scottish golf course uses. With all that said, the development as a whole with give Aberdeenshire a great financial boost with the build and job creation aspect of it and as a golfer I look forward to playing his disneyfied links course if he gets it built. **Oh aye, people keep on saying £1Billion, it's not, it's $1Billion...quite a difference