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**Stanton Warrior** · 11-11-07, 16:03

What was it for?

Just caught it on Setanta but didn't catch what the commentator said it was for.

Very nice to see a silence and not one of those stupid minutes applause efforts.
Sounded like it was impeccably observed by both sets of fans.
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Now come on the Dons. Get it right up them!

Colr · 11-11-07, 16:04

Remembrance Sunday?

HibeeJibee · 12-11-07, 01:03

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What was it for?

Just caught it on Setanta but didn't catch what the commentator said it was for.

Very nice to see a silence and not one of those stupid minutes applause efforts.
Sounded like it was impeccably observed by both sets of fans.
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Now come on the Dons. Get it right up them!

You dumb f*ck.
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It just happens to be Remembrance Sunday, that being the day where we remember the tens of millions of men and women who, throughout the course of our countries history, gave the ultimate sacrifice so that we might be free. You ought to ponder on it some time. I'm presuming you didn't bother going down to observe the wreath laying at your local war memorial? Or observe the minutes silence at 11 o'clock? Maybe you should have, if it wasn't for the sacrifices of previous generations, the free world and the spirit of democracy would have been crushed by kaiserists, militarists, fascists, communists, juntaists or anarchists by now - and amongst those people they exterminated would have been the ignorant and ungrateful.

Hampden_Hibby · 12-11-07, 01:08

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You dumb f*ck.
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It just happens to be Remembrance Sunday, that being the day where we remember the tens of millions of men and women who, throughout the course of our countries history, gave the ultimate sacrifice so that we might be free. You ought to ponder on it some time. I'm presuming you didn't bother going down to observe the wreath laying at your local war memorial? Or observe the minutes silence at 11 o'clock? Maybe you should have, if it wasn't for the sacrifices of previous generations, the free world and the spirit of democracy would have been crushed by kaiserists, militarists, fascists, communists, juntaists or anarchists by now - and amongst those people they exterminated would have been the ignorant and ungrateful.

Bit OTT mate. Part of being 'free' is choosing what you do on a Sunday.

HibeeJibee · 12-11-07, 01:26

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Bit OTT mate. Part of being 'free' is choosing what you do on a Sunday.

He/she quite clearly had no conception that it even was Remembrance Sunday. I'll stand corrected if he/she did, but it seems pretty unlikely if they didn't realise what the silence was for. I find your reply reassuring and at the same time confusing. Yes, part of being free is having the right not to give a damn about the sacrificies our parents,
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rents etc. made so that we didn't have to. At the same time, its a sad indication of our society that most of us couldn't find 2 minutes out of the 365 days of the year to pay our respects to the tens of millions of men and women who gave their lives. Giving your life, or taking 30 minutes out of the day to go down to the local war memorial to pay respect to those that did? Blown away at 19, or standing with your gob shut for 2 minutes? Easy.

**Dr Shrink** · 12-11-07, 01:31

Maybe the eleventh hour of the eleventh day etc was lost on the guy, but that's a bit of an over-reaction HibeeJibee.

**Gunnerhibby** · 12-11-07, 01:42

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He/she quite clearly had no conception that it even was Remembrance Sunday. I'll stand corrected if he/she did, but it seems pretty unlikely if they didn't realise what the silence was for. I find your reply reassuring and at the same time confusing. Yes, part of being free is having the right not to give a damn about the sacrificies our parents,
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rents etc. made so that we didn't have to. At the same time, its a sad indication of our society that most of us couldn't find 2 minutes out of the 365 days of the year to pay our respects to the tens of millions of men and women who gave their lives. Giving your life, or taking 30 minutes out of the day to go down to the local war memorial to pay respect to those that did? Blown away at 19, or standing with your gob shut for 2 minutes? Easy.

Well out of order HJ
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Pity as you seem an intelligent person, maybe too intelligent at times.

People observe the Remembrance in many ways, some people simply dont, its their choice.

At 11am this morning I was kicking off the 2nd half of our boys club game, I had no inclination to ask the kids & parents to observe the minutes silence as I thought it might seem strange to some. I would've agreed to it if someone from the opposing team, or even the parents themselves had requested it. I just did'nt want to be the one to initiate it.

There again maybe most folk there did'nt actually remember it was Remembrance Day, like Stanton Warrior.

HibeeJibee · 12-11-07, 01:48

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Maybe the eleventh hour of the eleventh day etc was lost on the guy, but that's a bit of an over-reaction HibeeJibee.

Yeah OK granted. He's got a right to not be grateful and as someone observed, it's his choice. Just I was in at the parade back in my home town this morning and it was the same thing there - the memorial was in the public park, so folk on bikes, folk walking dogs, not caring about traipsing right through the solemn occaision. Dog walking was more important. Then marching back to the church for the service, folk in cars found it necessary to drive alongside or overtake the procession. Getting to the shops was more important. Inside, parents whose children were participating (from Cubs, Guide, ATC etc.) found it necessary to crawl about the place and hang off the balconies filming their little ones "moment in the spotlight" - even during the prayer and the contemplative silence. Getting a close-up on wee Bobby without the glare of the sun was more important. I just find it all so, frankly, ungrateful. There are old blokes there who lost their friends, but they believe they died in a just cause. I find it so exasparating society chucks it back in their faces.

Hampden_Hibby · 12-11-07, 01:50

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He/she quite clearly had no conception that it even was Remembrance Sunday. I'll stand corrected if he/she did, but it seems pretty unlikely if they didn't realise what the silence was for. I find your reply reassuring and at the same time confusing. Yes, part of being free is having the right not to give a damn about the sacrificies our parents,
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rents etc. made so that we didn't have to. At the same time, its a sad indication of our society that most of us couldn't find 2 minutes out of the 365 days of the year to pay our respects to the tens of millions of men and women who gave their lives. Giving your life, or taking 30 minutes out of the day to go down to the local war memorial to pay respect to those that did? Blown away at 19, or standing with your gob shut for 2 minutes? Easy.

Pompous shite. The guy did not come on and hurl abuse or say acts of remembrance should not be observed or any such thing.

Most people in this country did not go near a war memorial today and that is just a fact. In fact I'm willing to bet a sizeable number were still in bed at 11am.

Seems to me you've got a bee in yer bonnet about this. I've had a go at organised religion in the past on this board but I'll tell you what, this example of ramming your morals down the throats of others takes a bit of beating.

HibeeJibee · 12-11-07, 01:54

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Well out of order HJ
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Pity as you seem an intelligent person, maybe too intelligent at times.

People observe the Remembrance in many ways, some people simply dont, its their choice.

Yeh I'm getting the picture folks, bit OTT. My apologies. Think I'm maybe a bit closer to the whole thing than most people (family reasons) but I find it unbelievable that someone didn't realise what a minutes silence was for on the 11th of November. But there is a massive difference between not stopping a kiddies football match halfway through (where a lot of them would, I presume, have been not aware of what exactly was going on) - and posting on an internet forum about a minutes silence at Hearts, who along with Edinburgh in general have their own very emotional connections with to the First World War in particular, and ending it with a glib remark which seems to indicate that well at least that's it out of the way know, so lets get back to real business of hoping our rivals get pumped.

Too intelligent? Probably. Lapse into exasperating diatribes sometimes. Still think is a sad day when someone doesn't realise what Remembrance Sunday is for - and I'm not changing my view on that.

Hampden_Hibby · 12-11-07, 01:56

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Yeah OK granted. He's got a right to not be grateful and as someone observed, it's his choice. Just I was in at the parade back in my home town this morning and it was the same thing there - the memorial was in the public park, so folk on bikes, folk walking dogs, not caring about traipsing right through the solemn occaision. Dog walking was more important. Then marching back to the church for the service, folk in cars found it necessary to drive alongside or overtake the procession. Getting to the shops was more important. Inside, parents whose children were participating (from Cubs, Guide, ATC etc.) found it necessary to crawl about the place and hang off the balconies filming their little ones "moment in the spotlight" - even during the prayer and the contemplative silence. Getting a close-up on wee Bobby without the glare of the sun was more important. I just find it all so, frankly, ungrateful. There are old blokes there who lost their friends, but they believe they died in a just cause. I find it so exasparating society chucks it back in their faces.

And that brings in another point. Religious services do not hold the monopoly on how we should remember so get aff the high horse. My 90 year old dad went to war in 1939 as a 22 year old and seen it through to the end. He has no need for prayers, ministers, hymns or thanks to God. He remembers what he needs to remember as he sits in the comfort of his living room, thinking about the blokes who he'll never forget. He can still rhyme off their names and what town they came from.

Each to their own.

Smurf · 12-11-07, 02:05

I was in my pit at 11am this morning. I held no minutes silence. I went to no rememberance parade or memorial.

Do i respect or remember anymore or any less than anyone else HibeeJibee?

How the feck would you know? Each to their own and each to paying their respects in their own particular way.

Oh and Stanton Warrior i too was confused by the Gunt minute silence. I was driving and put on the game on the radio and thought 'WTF?'.

HibeeJibee · 12-11-07, 02:05

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And that brings in another point. Religious services do not hold the monopoly on how we should remember so get aff the high horse. My 90 year old dad went to war in 1939 as a 22 year old and seen it through to the end. He has no need for prayers, ministers, hymns or thanks to God. He remembers what he needs to remember as he sits in the comfort of his living room, thinking about the blokes who he'll never forget. He can still rhyme off their names and what town they came from.

Each to their own.

Thats a perfectly legitimate view mate. I wouldn't describe myself as particularly religious and I'm lucky if the number of times I'm in a church exceeds the fingers on one hand per year. (That said, the service was actually for all denominations or faiths and none but that isn't relevant here). The Remembrance Service itself, for instance the one at the Cenotaph which is the same each year, is reasonably religious as regards referring to God, but in truth it's really about the act of Remembrance. My point is - if your dad was of the inclination, as many are, to go down to the war memorial (or in some cases, the actual graves) to his comrades and friends each year, then I think he would be pretty annoyed - is annoyed the word? disappointed - that for a whole chunk of society, he and the people with him seem to be some kind of inconvenience. I mean that in a literal sense - I'm walking my dog, I'm going to the shops, what are you doing you're in my way? - and also a metaphorical sense - I'm filming my kids for the album, I'm watching the footie, what is going on this is alien to me?. Please don't confuse me, cos I don't believe people should be 'frog marched down to stone pillars with red plastic on their lappels each year to listen to poems and minature trumpets'. It's just that I find it unbelievably ungrateful that so many people don't give a damn - about heroes?

HibeeJibee · 12-11-07, 02:12

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I was in my pit at 11am this morning. I held no minutes silence. I went to no rememberance parade or memorial.

Do i respect or remember anymore or any less than anyone else HibeeJibee?

How the feck would you know? Each to their own and each to paying their respects in their own particular way.

Oh and Stanton Warrior i too was confused by the Gunt minute silence. I was driving and put on the game on the radio and thought 'WTF?'.

I haven't at any point said - or at least, if I seemed to it was inadvertent and I apologise - that people have to or even should en masse traipse down to their local war memorial. I think more people should. I think more people could. I think it would be nice if they took the time out of their day, once or twice a decade even, to do it. You can have respect for the dead, asleep in your bed, as much as I can, standing in my public park. That is the freedom that our forefathers fought for. For me it is also about those who didn't die, who didn't get blown apart or shot or drowned or bayoneted or died of disease. Those who survived, particularly the Second World War veterans, feel disappointed that few if any 'care' enough (their intepretation of it), to make time in their life once or twice a decade as I said. I suppose it would be perfectly legitimate to say "hey, I've utmost respect for you and your comrades, living and dead, but I'll just show it in my bed". Thing is, for these people that isn't good enough. Believe me, I speak to them in my family - and I spoke to them today. Try going and telling them they're wrong though. That's a tough task IMO.

**hibadelic** · 12-11-07, 02:15

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It's just that I find it unbelievably ungrateful that so many people don't give a damn - about heroes?

Maybe they do give a damn but just don't feel the need to act exactly as you do. Someone walked their dog in the park on rememberance Sunday to remember the dead, get over it.
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**Tkraz** · 12-11-07, 02:17

On a similar but slightly different note, did anyone else think it was inappropriate that the gunts team had the names of a few on their shirt on the sleeve, granted I was in the pub and may have misconstrued this, but I feel it is small minded and poor to remember only the players who played at Hearts and found it to make the silence slightly too exclusive rather than just honouring everyone.

Perhaps being a little pedantic myself but why not just remember everyone in a general sense, as oposed to just those who we knew or were attatched to their (or our own) team?
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**beefy** · 12-11-07, 02:22

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On a similar but slightly different note, did anyone else think it was inappropriate that the gunts team had the names of a few on their shirt on the sleeve, granted I was in the pub and may have misconstrued this, but I feel it is small minded and poor to remember only the players who played at Hearts and found it to make the silence slightly too exclusive rather than just honouring everyone.

Perhaps being a little pedantic myself but why not just remember everyone in a general sense, as oposed to just those who we knew or were attatched to their (or our own) team?
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Im sure it was the 7 (from the full team that signed up) that died in combat Tk
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HibeeJibee · 12-11-07, 02:23

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Maybe they do give a damn but just don't feel the need to act exactly as you do. Someone walked their dog in the park on rememberance Sunday to remember the dead, get over it.
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I didn't say that walking their dog was or was not relevant to them wanting to remember the dead, and that should be clear from my posts. My point was why do they find it necessary to weave and wind their way through the crowd of veterans and onlookers, in one case blabbing on their mobile phone about how p*ssed Davey got last night? In theory there is a minimal chance that was their way of remembering the war dead. I find it hugely unlikely. Even if it was, they had no recourse to effectively trample on other people's way of remembering. Take the more likely scenario that in fact they were just walking their dog and happened to come across the service. Did they realise it was Remembrance Sunday? Maybe not, its unfortunate and I think it isn't right - even if they don't know what it is, which is surprising in itself given its taught in schools and all over the media - even if they didn't it should have been apparent it was asolemn respectful occaision and a bit of common decency would have been the right thing. But the dog and drunk Davey was important.

I never said people need to do exactly as I do. Do whatever they want. But do it with respect IMO.

Smurf · 12-11-07, 02:23

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On a similar but slightly different note, did anyone else think it was inappropriate that the gunts team had the names of a few on their shirt on the sleeve, granted I was in the pub and may have misconstrued this, but I feel it is small minded and poor to remember only the players who played at Hearts and found it to make the silence slightly too exclusive rather than just honouring everyone.

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Smurf Away doing some work for a few weeks Join Date: May 2003 Location: Suburbia Age: 35 Posts: 22,572 My Mood: Thanks: 16 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts Rep Power: 0	Re: Minutes silence at Swiney I was in my pit at 11am this morning. I held no minutes silence. I went to no rememberance parade or memorial. Do i respect or remember anymore or any less than anyone else HibeeJibee? How the feck would you know? Each to their own and each to paying their respects in their own particular way. Oh and Stanton Warrior i too was confused by the Gunt minute silence. I was driving and put on the game on the radio and thought 'WTF?'.

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Tkraz Radge Private Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glasgow Age: 21 Posts: 2,052 My Mood: Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Rep Power: 8	Re: Minutes silence at Swiney On a similar but slightly different note, did anyone else think it was inappropriate that the gunts team had the names of a few on their shirt on the sleeve, granted I was in the pub and may have misconstrued this, but I feel it is small minded and poor to remember only the players who played at Hearts and found it to make the silence slightly too exclusive rather than just honouring everyone. Perhaps being a little pedantic myself but why not just remember everyone in a general sense, as oposed to just those who we knew or were attatched to their (or our own) team? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.