Jehovah's Witnesses.

[KerPlunk]

What sort of "religion" (or in this case, cult) find it acceptable to refuse a blood transfusion and as a result, twin babies are condemned to growing up motherless ?


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I thought doctor's Hippocratic Oath meant that they are bound to do all they can for a patient, hence the reason that euthanasia is such a hot potato?

Double standards ?

[SG7nil]

Originally Posted by KerPlunk
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What sort of "religion" (or in this case, cult) find it acceptable to refuse a blood transfusion and as a result, twin babies are condemned to growing up motherless ?


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I thought doctor's Hippocratic Oath meant that they are bound to do all they can for a patient, hence the reason that euthanasia is such a hot potato?

Double standards ?

Subtle difference between Euthanasia (deliberate killing) and voluntary non-intervention, to kill someone and it to be called euthanasia you have to administer some form of killing coup-de-grace... but if you let somoene just decide to die then it's their choice... that's more like suicide by religion if you ask me.. but the woman must have been a nutter not to want to see her kids grow up!
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[Dub]

Originally Posted by KerPlunk
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What sort of "religion" (or in this case, cult) find it acceptable to refuse a blood transfusion and as a result, twin babies are condemned to growing up motherless ?


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I thought doctor's Hippocratic Oath meant that they are bound to do all they can for a patient, hence the reason that euthanasia is such a hot potato?

Double standards ?

Never understood religion personally and i particular things like this. Surely her mothers instinct should have over ruled any religious teachings
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Maybe not.

Each time something crops up like this that just doesnt make any sense to me it reaffirms my lack of faith.

[HibeeJibee]

It happens now and again, I think they believe it is unclean to take another persons blood. Presumably she made it clear to the medical staff, either beforehand or as it happened, that she did not want a transfusion. I presume it therefore fell under guidelines on obeying a patients wishes when they were fully aware of the consequences and in a physical and mental state to make an informed clear decision.

Then again as you say, it is a pretty twisted kind of interpretation IMO that says you have to die and leave your newborn children motherless. I hope for her sake there is a Jehovah's heaven, if not what a terrible sacrifice.

[KerPlunk]

Originally Posted by Dub
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Never understood religion personally and i particular things like this. Surely her mothers instinct should have over ruled any religious teachings
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Maybe not.

Each time something crops up like this that just doesnt make any sense to me it reaffirms my lack of faith.

Amen to that.

[SoulBamRab]

'Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions because they believe that God has forbidden it in the Bible. They believe that accepting a blood transfusion is a sin'

Where in the bible does it say that? Do they have a largely different bible from everyone elses that says you can/canny do different things?

[Dub]

Originally Posted by BionicRab
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'Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions because they believe that God has forbidden it in the Bible. They believe that accepting a blood transfusion is a sin'

Where in the bible does it say that? Do they have a largely different bible from everyone elses that says you can/canny do different things?

Were there blood transfusions at the time the bible was made up? there may have been leeching or blood letting of some sort for medical reasons but i'm unconvinced about transfusion.

[KerPlunk]

Originally Posted by BionicRab
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'Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions because they believe that God has forbidden it in the Bible. They believe that accepting a blood transfusion is a sin'

Where in the bible does it say that? Do they have a largely different bible from everyone elses that says you can/canny do different things?

Yes, they do have a different bible Rab. It's called The New World Translation.

Don't want to get into this too much, brings back unhappy memories of 2 years spent with Jehovah business partner.
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[Colr]

Originally Posted by Dub
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Were there blood transfusions at the time the bible was made up? there may have been leeching or blood letting of some sort for medical reasons but i'm unconvinced about transfusion.

Baptized Witnesses who violate the prohibition on blood are subject to organized communal shunning.[136][137][138][139] However, it is a personal decision on how their "own blood will be handled in the course of a surgical procedure, medical test, or current therapy."[140][141] This is qualified by their understanding that "collecting, storing, and transfusing of blood directly contradicts what is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy," so their position is they do not "store for transfusion our blood that should be ‘poured out." [142] Of course, in current medical practice, whole blood transfusions are very rare, and individual blood components are used instead.[143] While Witnesses may not accept red cells, white cells, platelets or plasma, they may accept any fractions made from these components.[144][145] However, if a fraction, "makes up a significant portion of that component" or "carries out the key function of a primary component" it may be objectionable to them but is permissible.[146]

Jehovah's Witnesses have been known to highlight dangers of blood transfusions. Witness representatives have stated that plasma volume expanders are often sufficient to take care of various medical emergency situations.[147] However, Witnesses explain that their objections to blood transfusions are for religious reasons.[148]

A growing number of hospitals are offering bloodless techniques in medicine and surgery

You'd be amazed what they have to ask your consent for in childbirth.

[SoulBamRab]

Originally Posted by KerPlunk
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Yes, they do have a different bible Rab. It's called The New World Translation.

Don't want to get into this too much, brings back unhappy memories of 2 years spent with Jehovah business partner.
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you weren't a window cleaner were you?

[KerPlunk]

Originally Posted by BionicRab
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you weren't a window cleaner were you?

No. However, most of my ex-partners Jehovah "pals" were windae cleaners / office cleaners.
You thinking of Greg Avinou by any chance ?

[SoulBamRab]

Originally Posted by KerPlunk
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No. However, most of my ex-partners Jehovah "pals" were windae cleaners / office cleaners.
You thinking of Greg Avinou by any chance ?

Canny actually remember the guys name he stayed up whitehill near dalkeith

[KerPlunk]

The last paragraph says it all :-


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[eckmf]

Originally Posted by KerPlunk
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What sort of "religion" (or in this case, cult) find it acceptable to refuse a blood transfusion and as a result, twin babies are condemned to growing up motherless ?


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I thought doctor's Hippocratic Oath meant that they are bound to do all they can for a patient, hence the reason that euthanasia is such a hot potato?

Double standards ?

someone who practices their faith and teachings from start to finnish, unlike other religions, ie roman chatholics,cos, mormans etc who only practice their faith when it suits them, must have a srong faith and belief in what they are taught to give up their life without a question, and her partner for being prepared to let her go, anyone who knocks jehovah's witnesses are only one thing and that is jealous of people who acctually practice what they preach.

[Doddie]

Originally Posted by BionicRab
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'Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions because they believe that God has forbidden it in the Bible. They believe that accepting a blood transfusion is a sin'

Where in the bible does it say that? Do they have a largely different bible from everyone elses that says you can/canny do different things?

They quote Leviticus 17:11 - "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul..."

JWs believe that to accept blood from another living being is to compromise their soul's survival into the afterlife, and they base their belief on that verse. Banning blood transfusions is the Watchtower Society's idea, and they've twisted the meaning of that verse and the surrounding passage to make it mean what they want it to mean.

That verse above is one of the reasons for the Jewish practice of eating only meat from which the blood has been drained. That's what the verse is actually about - not eating meat with the blood still in it. Nothing at all to do with blood transfusions.

[eckmf]

Originally Posted by BionicRab
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'Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions because they believe that God has forbidden it in the Bible. They believe that accepting a blood transfusion is a sin'

Where in the bible does it say that? Do they have a largely different bible from everyone elses that says you can/canny do different things?

the book of Acts chapter 15, the same bible all religions should adhere to.

[KerPlunk]

Originally Posted by eckmf
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someone who practices their faith and teachings from start to finnish, unlike other religions, ie roman chatholics,cos, mormans etc who only practice their faith when it suits them, must have a srong faith and belief in what they are taught to give up their life without a question, and her partner for being prepared to let her go, anyone who knocks jehovah's witnesses are only one thing and that is jealous of people who acctually practice what they preach.

I take it you are a JW, eck ?

[eckmf]

Originally Posted by KerPlunk
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I take it you are a JW, eck ?

dont be fecking daft,a good mason maybe, I love life too much to refuse any treatment that would prolong life,just admire folk who stick to their convictions.

[Doddie]

Originally Posted by eckmf
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the book of Acts chapter 15, the same bible all religions should adhere to.

Verse 29: "You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."

That relates to Jewish religious law and the passage from Leviticus. But they're neither of them about blood transfusions - they're about dietary laws.

[Smurf]

Pains in the erse when they knock on your door..
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