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**SkyeHibs** · 22-09-07, 10:59

I for one can't believe what humpty Hadden has done. Putting out a reserve team against the best team in the world is the wrong answer.

The Scoltand players will surely want to test themselves against the world's best and have a go at them......The same way the fitba team did againsrt the French in paris and Glasgow.

Running away from the all blacks, as that is what we are doing is not the Scottish way.

The fans going to the game and the country have been short changed by these actions which confirms to me this man should not be the coach to the national team. A shocking decision.

If we fail to beat Italy and qualify he should go immediately. he has put pressure on himself in doing this. Italy becomes make or break.

**CraigHFC** · 22-09-07, 11:02

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Originally Posted by LanarkHibs

I for one can't believe what humpty Hadden has done. Putting out a reserve team against the best team in the world is the wrong answer.

The Scoltand players will surely want to test themselves against the world's best and have a go at them......The same way the fitba team did againsrt the French in paris and Glasgow.

Running away from the all blacks, as that is what we are doing is not the Scottish way.

The fans going to the game and the country have been short changed by these actions which confirms to me this man should not be the coach to the national team. A shocking decision.

If we fail to beat Italy and qualify he should go immediately. he has put pressure on himself in doing this. Italy becomes make or break.

I saw 2 All Blacks players yesterday up toon. I wouldn't have recognised them but one was wearing an All Blacks tshirt

They are actually huge

**brianmac** · 22-09-07, 13:42

Is it not a bit like us playing the OF, when we've no chance of the league and got a Scottish Cup semi final the next week

**alnewhaven** · 22-09-07, 14:10

Dont like the idea of a second string team, but I can see why Hadden has done so. However if I had paid £150 plus for a ticket, would be well pi$$ed off

**SkyeHibs** · 22-09-07, 15:02

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Originally Posted by brianmac

Is it not a bit like us playing the OF, when we've no chance of the league and got a Scottish Cup semi final the next week

Aye but we would not change 13 out of 15 players or in our terms 10 out of 11. We would probaly have the book thrown at us by the SPL anyway.

**SG7nil** · 22-09-07, 15:19

Naw, all of the players in the squads are recognised international standard players... Maybe not as good as our first string but still acceptable.

Football world cups in the past have seen teams give everyone in their squad a game as well (I'm sure France did it in '78 in Argentina) once they'd already been eliminated. It's up to the countries involved to decide if they want to rest players.

I can understand why the fans would feel short changed, but I feel that by resting the players, he has given us our best chance of progressing to the quarter finals.

**Decal Joe** · 22-09-07, 16:21

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Originally Posted by LanarkHibs

I for one can't believe what humpty Hadden has done. Putting out a reserve team against the best team in the world is the wrong answer.

The Scoltand players will surely want to test themselves against the world's best and have a go at them......The same way the fitba team did againsrt the French in paris and Glasgow.

Running away from the all blacks, as that is what we are doing is not the Scottish way.

The fans going to the game and the country have been short changed by these actions which confirms to me this man should not be the coach to the national team. A shocking decision.

If we fail to beat Italy and qualify he should go immediately. he has put pressure on himself in doing this. Italy becomes make or break.

I see what you are saying but I think the Italy game was always expected to be make or break.

Hadden needs to get Scotland to the Quarters, even with the strongest team possible the chances of a win against the All Blacks are negligible.

I suppose there are lots of ways to look at it but not subjecting the 'big' players to the physical battering that is a game against NZ can only be good for the chances of winning the following week.

I know there's every chance that Italy will beat Scotland anyway but I'd rather see us go in at full strength.

As for the paying public, I'd imagine they're looking forward to seeing an awesome AB team who are likely to win the RWC. If I was being totally honest I'd probably say that many of the cucumber sandwich brigade who are paying the large amounts to watch the game wont know half the Players on show anyway so its maybe not that big an issue.

**SkyeHibs** · 22-09-07, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Decal Joe

I see what you are saying but I think the Italy game was always expected to be make or break.

Hadden needs to get Scotland to the Quarters, even with the strongest team possible the chances of a win against the All Blacks are negligible.

I suppose there are lots of ways to look at it but not subjecting the 'big' players to the physical battering that is a game against NZ can only be good for the chances of winning the following week.

I know there's every chance that Italy will beat Scotland anyway but I'd rather see us go in at full strength.

As for the paying public, I'd imagine they're looking forward to seeing an awesome AB team who are likely to win the RWC. If I was being totally honest I'd probably say that many of the cucumber sandwich brigade who are paying the large amounts to watch the game wont know half the Players on show anyway so its maybe not that big an issue.

We don't play Italy until next weekend. I don't buy this too many games issue and the players have more than ample time to recover. In any event humpty Hadden has been going on that the players have not had a huge amount of match practice. What better opportunity than to pit your wits against the best in the world and learn from the experience.

Bad call in my view.

**Decal Joe** · 22-09-07, 20:53

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Originally Posted by LanarkHibs

We don't play Italy until next weekend. I don't buy this too many games issue and the players have more than ample time to recover. In any event humpty Hadden has been going on that the players have not had a huge amount of match practice. What better opportunity than to pit your wits against the best in the world and learn from the experience.

Bad call in my view.

Time will tell I suppose.

Another factor is the Players themselves, I'm sure like you say the Scottish guys would want to come up against the best in the world to gauge themselves but I suppose its down to the Coach.

**SG7nil** · 23-09-07, 08:09

Apparently Fiji are approaching their last 2 games in exactly the same way as us... They play Australia today and are resting most of their first team regulars and saving them for what will be the decider for 2nd place in the group versus Wales...

Time will tell if the tactic works for either or both teams.. would suggest that if we beat Italy (which we've not been doing lately) and Fiji go through against Wales, the doubting thomases should eat humble pie, however if after doing this we still fail to qualify then the "go down in a blaze of glory fighting" brigade can feel justified. Bottom line is that we have definitely helped our chances by doing this, and I feel it would be naive to risk our top players in a game that we will almost certainly lose anyway.

It would possibly have been easier for Hadden to do if he wasn't playing at Murrayfield, but I think he's being taken to task because of the number of people feeling short changed, having bought expensive tickets in advance.

80 boab · 23-09-07, 08:17

Before anybody takes a hissy fit...calm doon..ahm gonnae be cheeky.

Rugby?
Rugby?
I'd rather talk about cake recipes or Maroon Readers' Wives.
Rugby?
Buggery?
Private School Nonce Grooming.
Egg Chasing?
Having a crush on yer gym teacher of the same sex?
What a pile ay pish!

But...as i say...nay angry replies please,as i'm just being cheeky!

**SkyeHibs** · 23-09-07, 09:15

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Originally Posted by 80 boab

Before anybody takes a hissy fit...calm doon..ahm gonnae be cheeky.

Rugby?
Rugby?
I'd rather talk about cake recipes or Maroon Readers' Wives.
Rugby?
Buggery?
Private School Nonce Grooming.
Egg Chasing?
Having a crush on yer gym teacher of the same sex?
What a pile ay pish!

But...as i say...nay angry replies please,as i'm just being cheeky!

Aye ye are being cheeky.

Many of us state school boys played rugby as well.

80 boab · 23-09-07, 09:29

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Originally Posted by LanarkHibs

Aye ye are being cheeky.

Many of us state school boys played rugby as well.

I was waiting for a ticking off.
Sorry Pal.
My Dad used to actually take me to Murrayfield in the early to mid 80s.
I was fortunate enough to see us winning the Grand Slam against France in 84 and also to see us SHAGGING the English 33-6 a few years later. Also had a few great experiences watching us hump the Welsh and the Irish,but my real regret was that i was always in the "New Stand...the East" and never in the clock end or the other terracing!

Great Days at the time,and i accept that normal guyslike your good self and other lads lovethe rugger,but i hate aw this Heriots/Stewarts Melville posh woofter shit!

I admit that i still love to watch an international game,but ex schoolboy club stuff?
Keep it for the Farqhuars!

**SkyeHibs** · 23-09-07, 09:33

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Originally Posted by 80 boab

I was waiting for a ticking off.
Sorry Pal.
My Dad used to actually take me to Murrayfield in the early to mid 80s.
I was fortunate enough to see us winning the Grand Slam against France in 84 and also to see us SHAGGING the English 33-6 a few years later. Also had a few great experiences watching us hump the Welsh and the Irish,but my real regret was that i was always in the "New Stand...the East" and never in the clock end or the other terracing!

Great Days at the time,and i accept that normal guyslike your good self and other lads lovethe rugger,but i hate aw this Heriots/Stewarts Melville posh woofter shit!

I admit that i still love to watch an international game,but ex schoolboy club stuff?
Keep it for the Farqhuars!

Ah the memories of 1986 and humping the English 33-6. That was a performance then of course the 1990 grand slam slaying of them in 1990 was something to behold.

80 boab · 23-09-07, 09:43

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Originally Posted by LanarkHibs

Ah the memories of 1986 and humping the English 33-6. That was a performance then of course the 1990 grand slam slaying of them in 1990 was something to behold.

Thank You...1986...couldn't remember what year it was,but i remember being about three rows from the back in the East Stand.
Behind us were a load ay Rugby Club Guys from York,who were giving it drunken pish,such as"Lets do these SCOTCH bastards!
My Dad who still works in the building trade and was a boxer,turned around and said"Right ya fcucking arseholes...who's wanting it first?"
To this day.i remember how they all turned white,and stayed quiet for the remainder of the game!!!

As Sir Alex Ferguson would say...."Pwoud....so vewy vewy PWOUD!!!"

**alnewhaven** · 23-09-07, 10:07

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Originally Posted by LanarkHibs

We don't play Italy until next weekend. I don't buy this too many games issue and the players have more than ample time to recover. In any event humpty Hadden has been going on that the players have not had a huge amount of match practice. What better opportunity than to pit your wits against the best in the world and learn from the experience.

Bad call in my view.

One of Hadden's interviews he said it took the squad ten days to get up to speed after the Springbok game last month, so 2 big games in a week may well be pushing it. If you don't need to risk it, makes sense

**Archie** · 23-09-07, 10:41

I think the bigger scandal is the cost - I know Kiwis who love rugby and for them seeing the the All Blacks would be a dream, but they simply can't afford to go. I think Hadden has called it right, a mauling from the ABs would not set us up for an Italy crunch decider. Anyone remember the first 8 mins of the last Italy game?

Incidentally, I was at a concert last night when an (American) bandmember said how much he loved Scotland and 'kill all blacks'. It took an awful second for people to realise what he actually meant.

**brianmac** · 23-09-07, 10:51

Lanark, did Italy play their first choice fifteen against the ABs?

**SkyeHibs** · 23-09-07, 12:21

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Originally Posted by brianmac

Lanark, did Italy play their first choice fifteen against the ABs?

I believe so yes.

HibeeJibee · 23-09-07, 18:48

This tournament has become a farce in this respect, with about 1/3 of all the teams put out being reserve teams. Even no-hopers were at it, i.e. Japan (4th seeds) putting out their 2nd XV v Australia, and getting hammerred like 90 or 100 to 3 or 6 or something, to save their players for the match v the 5th seeds. Its pointless and ridiculous and just gives rugby a bad image for people who might only watch it during world cups. I'm appalled at Haddens decision, but not surprised. But £150 for a reserve match!!

This just reinforces why 2011 should be 4 groups of 4, with 1 match every week (i.e. weekends only).

**SkyeHibs** · 23-09-07, 20:26

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Originally Posted by HibeeJibee

This just reinforces why 2011 should be 4 groups of 4, with 1 match every week (i.e. weekends only).

I would agree with this. Worth remembering humpty Hadden has chosen to rest our first team despite their next game not being until next Saturday.

garethni · 23-09-07, 21:11

I think he's quite right in what he has done TBH. Out of all the home nations Scotland have really been the only group to have performed to a descent level, but even against the All Blacks 2nd string Scotlands best would fail to live with them (New Zealands 2nd string is probably the 2nd best team in the world) and it would have been hugely demoralising if they were to receive a crushing. Resting the starting

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alnewhaven Radge Private Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Edinburgh Age: 50 Posts: 1,432 Casino cash: £3597 vCash: 10000 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: Scotland rugby team vs All blacks Dont like the idea of a second string team, but I can see why Hadden has done so. However if I had paid £150 plus for a ticket, would be well pi$$ed off

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SG7nil Pedantic Fact Hunting Radge Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where the Chief puts the Sunshine Posts: 2,445 Casino cash: £535 vCash: 10000 My Mood: Thanks: 123 Thanked 107 Times in 56 Posts Rep Power: 7	Re: Scotland rugby team vs All blacks Naw, all of the players in the squads are recognised international standard players... Maybe not as good as our first string but still acceptable. Football world cups in the past have seen teams give everyone in their squad a game as well (I'm sure France did it in '78 in Argentina) once they'd already been eliminated. It's up to the countries involved to decide if they want to rest players. I can understand why the fans would feel short changed, but I feel that by resting the players, he has given us our best chance of progressing to the quarter finals. __________________

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SG7nil Pedantic Fact Hunting Radge Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where the Chief puts the Sunshine Posts: 2,445 Casino cash: £535 vCash: 10000 My Mood: Thanks: 123 Thanked 107 Times in 56 Posts Rep Power: 7	Re: Scotland rugby team vs All blacks Apparently Fiji are approaching their last 2 games in exactly the same way as us... They play Australia today and are resting most of their first team regulars and saving them for what will be the decider for 2nd place in the group versus Wales... Time will tell if the tactic works for either or both teams.. would suggest that if we beat Italy (which we've not been doing lately) and Fiji go through against Wales, the doubting thomases should eat humble pie, however if after doing this we still fail to qualify then the "go down in a blaze of glory fighting" brigade can feel justified. Bottom line is that we have definitely helped our chances by doing this, and I feel it would be naive to risk our top players in a game that we will almost certainly lose anyway. It would possibly have been easier for Hadden to do if he wasn't playing at Murrayfield, but I think he's being taken to task because of the number of people feeling short changed, having bought expensive tickets in advance. __________________

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80 boab Bounced Out! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: edinburgh Posts: 581 Casino cash: £250 vCash: 10000 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	Re: Scotland rugby team vs All blacks Before anybody takes a hissy fit...calm doon..ahm gonnae be cheeky. Rugby? Rugby? I'd rather talk about cake recipes or Maroon Readers' Wives. Rugby? Buggery? Private School Nonce Grooming. Egg Chasing? Having a crush on yer gym teacher of the same sex? What a pile ay pish! But...as i say...nay angry replies please,as i'm just being cheeky!

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Archie Radge Private Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Here Posts: 1,151 Casino cash: £3615 vCash: 10000 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 11	Re: Scotland rugby team vs All blacks I think the bigger scandal is the cost - I know Kiwis who love rugby and for them seeing the the All Blacks would be a dream, but they simply can't afford to go. I think Hadden has called it right, a mauling from the ABs would not set us up for an Italy crunch decider. Anyone remember the first 8 mins of the last Italy game? Incidentally, I was at a concert last night when an (American) bandmember said how much he loved Scotland and 'kill all blacks'. It took an awful second for people to realise what he actually meant.

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HibeeJibee A True Gadgie/Gadgess Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,539 Casino cash: £260 vCash: 10000 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 3	Re: Scotland rugby team vs All blacks This tournament has become a farce in this respect, with about 1/3 of all the teams put out being reserve teams. Even no-hopers were at it, i.e. Japan (4th seeds) putting out their 2nd XV v Australia, and getting hammerred like 90 or 100 to 3 or 6 or something, to save their players for the match v the 5th seeds. Its pointless and ridiculous and just gives rugby a bad image for people who might only watch it during world cups. I'm appalled at Haddens decision, but not surprised. But £150 for a reserve match!! This just reinforces why 2011 should be 4 groups of 4, with 1 match every week (i.e. weekends only). __________________