The Threat Is Real...

[zondervan]

We now have no choice. Whether or not you agree with our foreign policy, we are now under threat. Other than Lockerbie, this is the first terrorist attack to take place on Scottish soil. I think?

We now have to ask our Asian immigrant friends - especially the first generation - to root out the evil that is amongst us. Because they are out there.

Relatives of the 7/7 suicide bombers have still not accepted what their bearded maniac relatives did.

Let’s start at Surgeons Hall, which now resembles a pseudo hot-bed of al-Qaeda activity. If you don't believe me, I am happy to take anyone on a tour. Hopefully 3-7 & 4-5 from CI5 will sort things out.

God bless.

[Smurf]

The threat is indeed real. Too many though, are of an opinion that the 'threat' is no more than Government propoganda, devised in order to terrify us into acceptance of counter terrorist legislation...

As far as i'm concerned 'we' were attacked when 9/11 happened. It's nothing to do with being pro or anti Bush. (9/11 was a few months after Bush took over..) it's to do with accepting that the US are our friends.

However, if you don't accept that then 7/7 when indiscriminately the innocents were attacked in London surely was 'we' being attacked. Nationalist or Unionist this was a major city in this relatively small island attacked.

Since then the threat has been real. It's pretty constant but no the cynics have the Government making it all up.. I can be as cynical as the next person, but to suggest that the Government (of any colour) would deliberately make up the threat in order to pass legislation? I'm sorry but it's pathetic and i refuse to believe that so many politicans would get together with security services and police and make it all up...

Yesterday in Glasgow, again we see an attempt at mass loss of life as families attempt to head off on holiday. It was an attempt to kill anyone of us. It brings it home does it not in more ways than one?

Is there a relationship between these attacks and the foreign policy of the British government? Of course there is but that's not to say we should change course. I heard many on radio last night saying we must change course etc. Really, if we buckle under the pressure of the bomb and bullet we really are fucked.

Regardless to your opinion on our unionist status, or that of the UK government, or its policies - we can absolutely not allow the use, and threat of the bullet to force change of policy or direction. Change comes and must IMO only come through the ballot box.

This is not a war on Islam. Both the UK and USA went to war in the Balkans to quite rightly protect Muslim life.

Saddam Hussein butchered Hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims.

Today in Iraq Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else. For some reason this mnessage isn't getting through. The extent of the sympathy within the Muslim community for 9/11 and 7/7 is deliberately downplayed for obvious reasons.

The planning for the aftermath in Iraq by the USA and a much lesser extent the UK has been a true travesty. It's played directly into the hands of the minority fascist extremists, that in turn, allows it to play on the fears of the peaceful majority, that we in the west are at war with Islam.

A lot was spoken of addressing this afer 7/7 but despite the talk there's no progress but i see no easy option or solution.

The quicker we get out the better, but i honestly believe we're only still in Iraq to protect feeling a genuine responsibility. (I happen to believe Bush would have cut and run a long time ago if not persuaded otherwise by Blair) However, Brown must get everyone in the region of Iraq - who has vested interests in Iraq to the table, in order to agree some peacekeeping strategy solution to avoid all out civil war that it's neighbours certainly don't want.

However, back home if those think had it not been for Iraq and that bloody Tony Blair, then yesterday wouldn't have happened, i ask them to remember Bali and indeed 9/11.

IMHO it's not our foreign policy that's under attack it's our way of life.

[egb_hibs]

good post Smurf.

all this stuff is an update on the instinct that has people blaming the gods for the behaviour of nature.

It's a deep seated need to see order in the chaos, because it's the chaotic aspect of the chaos that's most terrifying of all.

in britain and the US this takes the shape it does because of the fashionable culture of self loathing, but it could take the shape of any kinda nonsense really.

in short, our present plight -

- is not and never has been about iraq. it may possibly have worsened things, but then it may not - after all, many of the premiership class terrorists are as bogged down in iraq as america are. either way, this stuff would be happening anyway.

- this is not about the govt engineering ways to take away our freedoms. it's a very socialist response to the issue of course, but that's not the same as the absurd proposition that nulab are manufacturing the terrorism. that idea is just risible, and indicative of heads fixed in paranoid political fantasies of a different era.

- it's not specifically about salman rushdie, or danish cartoons, or palestine, or iraq, or theo van gogh or anything else.

as bill clinton might say: it's about the caliphate, stupid.

and it always was. perhaps now we'll get over our quasi-racist habit of refusing to listen to these guys and projecting our own fantasies onto them.

[Colr]

Originally Posted by zondervan

We now have no choice. Whether or not you agree with our foreign policy, we are now under threat. Other than Lockerbie, this is the first terrorist attack to take place on Scottish soil. I think?

We now have to ask our Asian immigrant friends - especially the first generation - to root out the evil that is amongst us. Because they are out there.

Relatives of the 7/7 suicide bombers have still not accepted what their bearded maniac relatives did.

Let’s start at Surgeons Hall, which now resembles a pseudo hot-bed of al-Qaeda activity. If you don't believe me, I am happy to take anyone on a tour. Hopefully 3-7 & 4-5 from CI5 will sort things out.

God bless.

The threat has little to do with our foreign policy as the surrender monkeys of the left may try to tell you. Mohamad Atta didn't mention a word about that, capitalism or israel before he killed thousands (he did however, get pissed in a strip bar before hand like a good muslim - so Islam probably has less to do with it that some would like to tell you). Fascist bully boys.

[jockney green]

cannae see any part of islamic community 'rootin' oot these bad boys in scotland, its no happend anywhere else, i gettin a sneaky suspicion the community cant or wont do this regardless of the hot air the clown-criminal politicians tell us, an aye where are the anti-fascists on this is? is it coz theres no a swastika thats aimin to be hoisted?

oor way of life is under threat an has been ever since the caliphate idea was born but aye we are too bogged doon in some kinda government spin bollox & white mans guilt to be able tae realise that there are entities oot there that wish to see the end of oor days an are prepared to use any means necessary

is it trite tae say if yer no part of the solution yer part of the problem here??

ahm up fur the surgeons hall tour likes, lets go talk to oor fellow citizens an see what they've got tae say

[Colr]

Originally Posted by jockney green

cannae see any part of islamic community 'rootin' oot these bad boys in scotland, its no happend anywhere else, i gettin a sneaky suspicion the community cant or wont do this regardless of the hot air the clown-criminal politicians tell us, an aye where are the anti-fascists on this is? is it coz theres no a swastika thats aimin to be hoisted?

oor way of life is under threat an has been ever since the caliphate idea was born but aye we are too bogged doon in some kinda government spin bollox & white mans guilt to be able tae realise that there are entities oot there that wish to see the end of oor days an are prepared to use any means necessary

is it trite tae say if yer no part of the solution yer part of the problem here??

ahm up fur the surgeons hall tour likes, lets go talk to oor fellow citizens an see what they've got tae say

Mmmm. Who is to stand up to them. Where are the anti-Islamist rallies? The left are bending to knee to them. The Christians are trying to appease them through appealing to common stands in religion but nobody seems to understand that we are faced with people beyond reason.

What's the beef with the Surgeon's Hall BTW?

[Archie]

Originally Posted by jockney green

ahm up fur the surgeons hall tour likes, lets go talk to oor fellow citizens an see what they've got tae say

Guys - I know feelings are running high, but I think you should tone down this kind of stuff - it is very open to misinterpretation.

[jockney green]

Originally Posted by Archie

Guys - I know feelings are running high, but I think you should tone down this kind of stuff - it is very open to misinterpretation.

point taken - i dinnae want tae exacerbate an awready emotional situ

Colr - ask zondervan aboot surgeons hall , i'd like tae know as well hence ma hand gaun up tae visit it

[Colr]

Originally Posted by jockney green

point taken - i dinnae want tae exacerbate an awready emotional situ

Colr - ask zondervan aboot surgeons hall , i'd like tae know as well hence ma hand gaun up tae visit it

I thought it was all bit of bodies in jars. My mate who, was a top artist, used to go their to sketch them when he was a student.

The missus has been as well - I would probably feint.

[sKipper]

I am no lefty but no one will convince me that what we are seeing is not a direct result of British and American foreign policy over the last deacde or so.

[Archie]

Originally Posted by Colr

Mmmm. Who is to stand up to them.

I think the problem is who are the 'them' you are referring to?

Originally Posted by Colr

Where are the anti-Islamist rallies? The left are bending to knee to them. The Christians are trying to appease them through appealing to common stands in religion but nobody seems to understand that we are faced with people beyond reason.

It's a very difficult position, but I think you do have to separate Islam from this. There is no doubt that there are Islamic terrorists but that's not the same as saying all Muslims are terrorists, not by a long chalk. There have been anti-Islamist rallies have been held by the BNP (and as someone here said the terrorists are the BNP's best recruiting sergeant). I don't think anti-Islamist is the the right approach - anti-terrorist yes.

Originally Posted by Colr

What's the beef with the Surgeon's Hall BTW?

I think it's the number of businesses owned by Muslims there and the proximity to the Mosque - hence my post above.

[Colr]

Originally Posted by Archie

I think the problem is who are the 'them' you are referring to?It's a very difficult position, but I think you do have to separate Islam from this. There is no doubt that there are Islamic terrorists but that's not the same as saying all Muslims are terrorists, not by a long chalk. There have been anti-Islamist rallies have been held by the BNP (and as someone here said the terrorists are the BNP's best recruiting sergeant). I don't think anti-Islamist is the the right approach - anti-terrorist yes.

I think it's the number of businesses owned by Muslims there and the proximity to the Mosque - hence my post above.

The exression Islamists refers to Islamo-fascism which is a right wing political movement. I use it to distinguish the "them" from Muslims, in particular secular Muslims - with whom I don't have an issue.

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by sKipper

I am no lefty but no one will convince me that what we are seeing is not a direct result of British and American foreign policy over the last deacde or so.

why?

what about islamist activities prior to that point?

[wvkeeper]

Well Islamists knew Bush would one day come into power and were pre-emptively attacking. No reports as to whether or not Bush and Blair kicked the Kaiser in the groin to help perpetuate WWI.

[Smurf]

Twin towers 1993 was a long time before Iraq 2003...

If not for our security services they'd quite happily see a lot more death and destruction on these shores..

Iraq or no Iraq.

[jockney green]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

why?

what about islamist activities prior to that point?

mujahideen in afghanistan v USSR 1980's
involved in sudan, somalian an bosnian conflicts early 90's
bomb in world trade centre car park 1993

aw spring tae mind

ahm sure theres a mair but cannae say fur definite

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by jockney green

mujahideen in afghanistan v USSR 1980's
involved in sudan, somalian an bosnian conflicts early 90's
bomb in world trade centre car park 1993

aw spring tae mind

ahm sure theres a mair but cannae say fur definite

indeed. and a lot of the were militantised against us in europe because we did not intervene earlier enough or hard enough in bosnia.

you can't win; intervene and your damned, don't intervene and your damned.

these guys are like a more macho version of guardian readers.

[Colr]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

indeed. and a lot of the were militantised against us in europe because we did not intervene earlier enough or hard enough in bosnia.

you can't win; intervene and your damned, don't intervene and your damned.

these guys are like a more macho version of guardian readers.

Absolutely. I get increasingly enraged by people implying that we asked for this when the facts do not add up to that. This is not a reaction but a proactive campaign.

[zondervan]

I am going to have to stop these 5.00am posts. Admin - can you ban me from posting between the hours of midnight & 0800. Thanks.

I suggest we bring back Mad Mike without delay. Anyway...

The events yesterday (i.e. the first real terrorist attack carried out on Scottish soil) sent my mind into overdrive.

Having grown up on the Southside, Surgeon's Hall/Newington Road has changed in the last 5 - 10 years. Lots of arabic/muslim "shops" have opened up.

The shops always appear empty but are open 12 hours a day with not a lot of customers. Now, in my drunken states of paranoia, I thought that they were becoming a breeding ground for an Al-Qaeda cell. The plans for 9/11 were orchestrated from a similar grouping of premises in Frankfurt, after all.

As I say, drunken paranoia! It is better than LSD, give it a go some day.

Also, the 2 fuck-wits who just tried to blow up Glasgow Airport were "hiding out" in a small town in Dunbartonshire, renting a house for 3 months. Why should anyone have suspected them? And if someone had reported them to the authorities, are they deemed to be paranoid, lunatic, liberal Noseybonks?

Just like when the IRA were bombing London, innocent Irish were persecuted by the UK security forces. Unfortunately for the vast majority of peace-loving Muslims, just like the Irish before them, they will now notice a more prominent finger of suspicion looming over them.

Perhaps we should all dress up as Noseybonk, get our magnifiying glasses out and be more vigilant?



Assalamu alaikum.