Naughty old scousers get a FIFA rap for being the worst fans

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Report points finger at Reds fansJun 3 2007

Liverpool supporters have been branded the worst in Europe in a UEFA report which will be presented to sports minister Richard Caborn on Tuesday.

UEFA, who commissioned undercover police agents to compile the report over the last four years, say there have been more incidents involving Reds fans than anyone else.

UEFA spokesman William Gaillard said: "The incidents involving Liverpool fans have been well known to us before the trouble at the Champions League final which involved Liverpool fans last week. That was just the latest example. What other set of fans steal tickets from their fellow supporters or out of the hands of children?"

The report paints a damning picture of Liverpool fans' behaviour at last month's Champions League final in Athens.

UEFA insist those alleged incidents - with many supporters who held genuine tickets complaining of being denied entry into the stadium - were the latest in a long line of transgressions.

Gaillard added: "We know what happened in Athens, and Liverpool fans were the cause of most of the trouble there.

"There have been 25 incidents involving Liverpool fans away from home since 2003 and these are in the report - most teams' supporters do not cause any trouble at all."

Liverpool have sent their own report to UEFA complaining about lax security measures at the final. Many supporters with forged tickets or no tickets at all managed to gain access to the stadium.

Gaillard added: "You must ask yourself why at the same match, with the same conditions, there was no trouble with the Milan fans - only the Liverpool fans."

[Smurf]

Oooh UEFA having a pop at a Big club for once...

[LeGod4]

Step forward the followers of Liverpool Fc, the same ones who would have us believe they are like the Smellic fans and the best in the world. Stealing from Children and involved in 25 incidents, you would think after there shocking behaviour in the 80's they would have learnt

No doubt we will have a "justice for Liverpool" campaign followed by a several days of self pity.

Ban them for good this time

[east calder hibby]

Originally Posted by LeGod4

Step forward the followers of Liverpool Fc, the same ones who would have us believe they are like the Smellic fans and the best in the world. Stealing from Children and involved in 25 incidents, you would think after there shocking behaviour in the 80's they would have learnt

No doubt we will have a "justice for Liverpool" campaign followed by a several days of self pity.

Ban them for good this time

Yawn.....

[Northern Ireland Hibby]

Originally Posted by LeGod4

Step forward the followers of Liverpool Fc, the same ones who would have us believe they are like the Smellic fans and the best in the world. Stealing from Children and involved in 25 incidents, you would think after there shocking behaviour in the 80's they would have learnt

No doubt we will have a "justice for Liverpool" campaign followed by a several days of self pity.

Ban them for good this time

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there - I'd like to know how many people were involved in these 'incidents' before judging. Even the Radio Five coverage seemed to be a bit short on facts this morning.

[LeGod4]

Originally Posted by Northern Ireland Hibby

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there - I'd like to know how many people were involved in these 'incidents' before judging. Even the Radio Five coverage seemed to be a bit short on facts this morning.

Very true, but no smoke without fire, after all they do have some pretty serious previous !

[southfieldhibby]

As soon as i saw this on t'internet this morning I knew LeGod would post it, nothing like predictability,eh?
I know this is the cooshed, but you've posted on no other topic other than Liverpool and your dislike of them for over a month.

[Scoobie]

Nowt to do with you being a Man U fan, stoking this up a little bit?

What I really think of this UEFA probe, is that they're trying to find fault with British clubs, because they're afraid of the Italian FA - for some reason. The Italians are worse than any other nation in Europe, but they get pandered to. The so-called 'penalties' put upon them about the state of their stadiums, behaviour, etc... is a feckin' joke.

I'm not sticking up for 'Pool fans here, btw. I'm just sick of the way everything gets glossed over in other countries, but the UK gets singled out.

[LeGod4]

Originally Posted by Scoobie

Nowt to do with you being a Man U fan, stoking this up a little bit?

What I really think of this UEFA probe, is that they're trying to find fault with British clubs, because they're afraid of the Italian FA - for some reason. The Italians are worse than any other nation in Europe, but they get pandered to. The so-called 'penalties' put upon them about the state of their stadiums, behaviour, etc... is a feckin' joke.

I'm not sticking up for 'Pool fans here, btw. I'm just sick of the way everything gets glossed over in other countries, but the UK gets singled out.

Cant beat a bit on banter and anything to put the scouse down a peg or two does me, sadly though some of the incidents in question are true which is why UEFA have reported them. Stealing from their own= Scum imho.

[LeGod4]

Originally Posted by southfieldhibby

As soon as i saw this on t'internet this morning I knew LeGod would post it, nothing like predictability,eh?
I know this is the cooshed, but you've posted on no other topic other than Liverpool and your dislike of them for over a month.

why am i not allowed a opinion on these matters .? or must i get your express permission .?

[k.manson]

Uefa have criticised Liverpool fans' behaviour
A damning report by European football's governing body says Liverpool fans are the worst-behaved in Europe.
Uefa says Reds fans have been involved in more incidents in Europe during the past four years than any other club.

Ticketless fans caused trouble at May's Champions League final, although the club criticised security at the game.

Uefa spokesman William Gaillard said: "That was just the latest example. What other fans steal tickets from fellow fans or from the hands of children?"

Uefa's report will be handed to sports minister Richard Caborn on Tuesday.

In it, Uefa paints a damning picture of the Anfield club's supporters' behaviour at the Champions League final against AC Milan in Athens, which the Italian side won 2-1.

Gaillard added: "We know what happened in Athens, and Liverpool fans were the cause of most of the trouble there.

"There have been 25 incidents involving Liverpool fans away from home since 2003 and these are in the report - most teams' supporters do not cause any trouble at all."

Liverpool have sent their own report to Uefa complaining about lax security measures at the final.

You must ask yourself why at the Champions League, with the same conditions, there was no trouble with the Milan fans - only the Liverpool fans

Uefa spokesman William Gaillard
Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry said: "The shortcomings in the management of the situation in Athens were apparent to anyone who was there.

"This latest statement from Uefa should not deflect attention from that reality."

Many supporters with forged tickets or no tickets at all managed to gain access to the stadium.

Disorder broke out before kick-off when fans were held back because of congestion outside the ground.

Police told fans going through the penultimate checkpoint to slow down or even stop moving, then riot police formed a line to stop other fans joining queues to move through the checkpoint.

Former Conservative leader and Liverpool fan Michael Howard was at the game and said ticket checks at the stadium were "a joke".

How can Uefa choose a football ground without a turnstile - just a metal gate that opens - its just not football is it?"

Liverpool fanzine editor Andy Knott
Fans were already aggrieved over Uefa's ticket allocation for the Champions League final, with the governing body making 17,000 tickets available to each club for a stadium that had a capacity of 63,000.

Of those tickets, Liverpool were able to make just 11,000 available to fans because of obligations to sponsors and former players.

But Gaillard said: "You must ask yourself why at the same match, with the same conditions, there was no trouble with the Milan fans - only the Liverpool fans."

But the city of Liverpool hit back at Uefa's criticism.

Lord Mayor Paul Clark was quoted in the Liverpool Daily Post as saying: "Uefa appear to be trying to avoid the blame for the disorganisation of the final."

Les Lawson, spokesman for the official LFC supporters' club, said: "This is typical of Uefa. Rather than look at their own shortcomings, they want to shove the blame somewhere else.

"The fact they are not willing to stand up and take responsibility is worrying for fans, because that means they will never learn from their mistakes."

Council leader Warren Bradley said: "Uefa is dragging Liverpool's name through the mud to deflect attention from themselves.

"There should be a full and appropriate investigation. There is very little information about what actually went wrong.

"It was only a small minority who caused problems but the people at the top of Uefa think they have the divine right to criticise people."

Phil Hammond, of the Hillsborough Justice Support Group, added: "We condemn the behaviour of some fans, but it was not helped by the way the police acted, they made it worse. Uefa are not justified in making these comments."

Andy Knott from the Liverpool fanzine Red All Over told BBC Radio Five Live that both the fans and the authorities were to blame for what happened in Europe this season.

606: DEBATE
What are your thoughts on the Uefa report?

He said: "It's a culmination of everything. The Liverpool fans weren't innocent and a lot of them have got to have a look at themselves and take that into account.

"But at the same time Uefa have got to look at it and instead of trying to give token games to people with big stadiums, they've got to do it in a proper way.

"I mean how you can have a football ground without a turnstile - where it's just a metal gate that opens and you walk through - its just not football is it?"

Ahead of the final in Athens, Uefa president Michel Platini said: "I am convinced that both Liverpool and Milan fans will contribute to making the Athens final a landmark in festive behaviour.

"I would also like to take this opportunity to thank and praise the fans who have attended the semi-finals for creating such a wonderful atmosphere at the matches.

"They have contributed in a positive manner to making the semi-finals such an exciting spectacle."




so others ken exactly whit the feck ye's are on aboot cause a didnae

[LeGod4]

Originally Posted by Smurf

Oooh UEFA having a pop at a Big club for once...

Confused as theyre having a pop at Liverpool hardly a big club.

[southfieldhibby]

Originally Posted by LeGod4

why am i not allowed a opinion on these matters .? or must i get your express permission .?

You are allowed opinions on any topic here,there & everywhere.Personally i find it a bit strange you choose to post only when it comes to bad press for Liverpool.
5th of May was the last non-scouse related post by you.

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by Scoobie

Nowt to do with you being a Man U fan, stoking this up a little bit?

What I really think of this UEFA probe, is that they're trying to find fault with British clubs, because they're afraid of the Italian FA - for some reason. The Italians are worse than any other nation in Europe, but they get pandered to. The so-called 'penalties' put upon them about the state of their stadiums, behaviour, etc... is a feckin' joke.

I'm not sticking up for 'Pool fans here, btw. I'm just sick of the way everything gets glossed over in other countries, but the UK gets singled out.

What I think the difference is, is the relatively large numbers of fans from the UK who go to away games in Europe (and away games at home tbh). If it's good natured in intent then everyone enjoys it, and that's what I would say Scottish & Irish fans generally do. The English? Xenophobic arrogant twats who come accross as ****s to the locals where they are playing, who think their teams have a divine right to win, and who behave like complete wankers to the police who then set about them. And afaic the huns are English in this context.

And I don't think all English fans who travel abroad are like the way that I have described above fwiw, and I don't think every Scottish person who travels abroad for the football is a saint. But isn't it weird how every time a Scottish team plays abroad (huns excepted) there are virtually none of the problems with the same police forces etc as when English teams play there?

[LeGod4]

Originally Posted by southfieldhibby

You are allowed opinions on any topic here,there & everywhere.Personally i find it a bit strange you choose to post only when it comes to bad press for Liverpool.
5th of May was the last non-scouse related post by you.

Ive got a Stalker

[nabser]

That would be the same uefa who congratulated liverpool and their fans at the 2005 final and the same uefa who gave liverpool an award for their fans in 2001 after the uefa cup final in dortmund,this is just uefa trying to deflect criticism of there handling and choice of venue,i know liverpool have there share of scumbags as do united and most other clubs.

[LeGod4]

Originally Posted by nabser

That would be the same uefa who congratulated liverpool and their fans at the 2005 final and the same uefa who gave liverpool an award for their fans in 2001 after the uefa cup final in dortmund,this is just uefa trying to deflect criticism of there handling and choice of venue,i know liverpool have there share of scumbags as do united and most other clubs.

and the same UEFA who had to ban you and all other English clubs.

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by LeGod4

and the same UEFA who had to ban you and all other English clubs.

Case in a nutshell really!

[Johnny Vegas]

i doubt going to anfield is more dangerous than going to some grounds in europe

what about some of the turkish clubs?

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas

i doubt going to anfield is more dangerous than going to some grounds in europe

what about some of the turkish clubs?

In fairness the comments made relate to their away games. Funnily enough there didn't seem to be any problems in Istanbul though.