Should I move back to an independent Scotland

[mbcregal]

I don't post much but I read and immensely enjoy the cowshed debates.

I've lived in Texas for seven years now. I lived most of my prior 35 years in Edinburgh.

Texas: Never have I met more self-supporting, eager, energetic, economically risk-taking, well-mannered, work-ethic oriented, intelligent and uncomplaining people. I'm not saying they're all like that but more are than aren't.

Scotland: Never did I meet more State-supported, lethargic, actuary-minded, rude, complacent and 'A kent his Ma and she wis jist a cleaner" people.

Death penalty aside (that's a big aside for me too), what would attract me back to an independent Scotland?

Because an independent Scotland will need an entrepreneurial mind-set to be successful. I believe it can be.

[Croxleyhibby]

Originally Posted by mbcregal

I don't post much but I read and immensely enjoy the cowshed debates.

I've lived in Texas for seven years now. I lived most of my prior 35 years in Edinburgh.

Texas: Never have I met more self-supporting, eager, energetic, economically risk-taking, well-mannered, work-ethic oriented, intelligent and uncomplaining people. I'm not saying they're all like that but more are than aren't.

Scotland: Never did I meet more State-supported, lethargic, actuary-minded, rude, complacent and 'A kent his Ma and she wis jist a cleaner" people.

Death penalty aside (that's a big aside for me too), what would attract me back to an independent Scotland?

Because an independent Scotland will need an entrepreneurial mind-set to be successful. I believe it can be.

Interestingly, ask most folk with experience of deailing with Scots ex pats and that is exactly how they would describe us 'self-supporting, eager, energetic, economically risk-taking, well-mannered, work-ethic oriented, intelligent and uncomplaining people'.

I work with Texans. Some I have liked some I haven't. Most I have found to be more arrogant than the English.

The reason I would NOT consider moving back to live and work in Scotland has nothing to do with the people or the political environment and has everything to do with the weather, the taxes and levels of crime.

[pilrig70]

Originally Posted by mbcregal

I don't post much but I read and immensely enjoy the cowshed debates.

I've lived in Texas for seven years now. I lived most of my prior 35 years in Edinburgh.

Texas: Never have I met more self-supporting, eager, energetic, economically risk-taking, well-mannered, work-ethic oriented, intelligent and uncomplaining people. I'm not saying they're all like that but more are than aren't.

Scotland: Never did I meet more State-supported, lethargic, actuary-minded, rude, complacent and 'A kent his Ma and she wis jist a cleaner" people.

Death penalty aside (that's a big aside for me too), what would attract me back to an independent Scotland?

Because an independent Scotland will need an entrepreneurial mind-set to be successful. I believe it can be.

Stay and fight for an Independent Lone Star state.

[Hampden_Hibby]

[Smurf]

I can't be arsed with those that say Sean Connery style 'I'll move back when Scotland becomes Independent..'.

IMO it's a slap in the coupon for those Scots campaigning for Independence here in Scotland..

[Bartok]

Originally Posted by Smurf

I can't be arsed with those that say Sean Connery style 'I'll move back when Scotland becomes Independent..'.

IMO it's a slap in the coupon for those Scots campaigning for Independence here in Scotland..

The people who campaign in Scotland are up against the like of you, unfortunately. I find your response to the original poster hypocritical in the extreme, given that you oppose an independent Scotland. There are many Scots the world over that would think about returning to participate in an independent Scotland, but have no interest in being British.

[Bartok]

Originally Posted by mbcregal

I don't post much but I read and immensely enjoy the cowshed debates.

I've lived in Texas for seven years now. I lived most of my prior 35 years in Edinburgh.

Texas: Never have I met more self-supporting, eager, energetic, economically risk-taking, well-mannered, work-ethic oriented, intelligent and uncomplaining people. I'm not saying they're all like that but more are than aren't.

Scotland: Never did I meet more State-supported, lethargic, actuary-minded, rude, complacent and 'A kent his Ma and she wis jist a cleaner" people.

Death penalty aside (that's a big aside for me too), what would attract me back to an independent Scotland?

Spot on with your analysis of the cultural problems, and the simple fact is that many Scots are scared of independence because they know that the price to pay would be political reality. Too much for some.

In response to your question I will to quote resist the impulse to quote JFK at you and simply say that an indeendent Scotland would be sorely in need of people of an enterprising mind. If Texas has rubbed off on you, bring some of that attitude home when you return.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by Smurf

I can't be arsed with those that say Sean Connery style 'I'll move back when Scotland becomes Independent..'.

IMO it's a slap in the coupon for those Scots campaigning for Independence here in Scotland..

Originally Posted by Dixie Chicken

The people who campaign in Scotland are up against the like of you, unfortunately. I find your response to the original poster hypocritical in the extreme, given that you oppose an independent Scotland. There are many Scots the world over that would think about returning to participate in an independent Scotland, but have no interest in being British.

Actually DC, although I am all for independance I can also agree with Smurfs comments. Sean connery and his 'independance from afar' mob can go and take a flying fuk at themselves. He can afford to live here but chooses not to because he wants to pay less in taxes but he bangs on about scottish independance as if he were here. I hate that two faced hypocritical wife slapping **** and even if [when] we do get independace I hope to fuk he stays away.

Apart from that I agree with you. Ordinary working folk who have jobs abroad, have no interest in Gran Britannia and who would come back to work in Scotland if she were independant are a different story altogether, they arent headline grabbing self centred old b@stards like that pr1ck.

Oh I need a lie down now.

[sKipper]

Originally Posted by mbcregal

I don't post much but I read and immensely enjoy the cowshed debates.

I've lived in Texas for seven years now. I lived most of my prior 35 years in Edinburgh.

Texas: Never have I met more self-supporting, eager, energetic, economically risk-taking, well-mannered, work-ethic oriented, intelligent and uncomplaining people. I'm not saying they're all like that but more are than aren't.

Scotland: Never did I meet more State-supported, lethargic, actuary-minded, rude, complacent and 'A kent his Ma and she wis jist a cleaner" people.

Death penalty aside (that's a big aside for me too), what would attract me back to an independent Scotland?

Because an independent Scotland will need an entrepreneurial mind-set to be successful. I believe it can be.

We're still a bit away yet though slowly but surely the confidence is returning and the dependency culture is being eroded.

The Scottish Parliamnet is changing things without question.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by Dixie Chicken

The people who campaign in Scotland are up against the like of you, unfortunately.

'Up against' is your words.

The majority of Scots time and time again who choose to work and live here have rejected the option of Independence.

I respect the case for Independence and those that campaign for it. What i don't respect is those that feel that us current Unionists are in some way lesser of a Scot.

Originally Posted by Dixie Chicken

I find your response to the original poster hypocritical in the extreme, given that you oppose an independent Scotland.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Those pissing outside and inside the tent. However, i think those pissing from inside have much more legitimate reason to be listened to.

It's a bit like a Hibby who never goes to games telling a Hibby who actually goes to them all that the manager should be sacked..

Originally Posted by Dixie Chicken

There are many Scots the world over that would think about returning to participate in an independent Scotland, but have no interest in being British.

Are they any different to a Scot that would leave if Scotland left the Union?

I'd say they were like two peas in a pod.

[sKipper]

Originally Posted by Dub

Actually DC, although I am all for independance I can also agree with Smurfs comments. Sean connery and his 'independance from afar' mob can go and take a flying fuk at themselves. He can afford to live here but chooses not to because he wants to pay less in taxes but he bangs on about scottish independance as if he were here. I hate that two faced hypocritical wife slapping **** and even if [when] we do get independace I hope to fuk he stays away.

Apart from that I agree with you. Ordinary working folk who have jobs abroad, have no interest in Gran Britannia and who would come back to work in Scotland if she were independant are a different story altogether, they arent headline grabbing self centred old b@stards like that pr1ck.

Oh I need a lie down now.

Don't forget though Dub, a heck of a lot of emigrants left Scotland because of the lack of opportunity and general disgust at the continued lack of ambition shown under Labour.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by sKipper

Don't forget though Dub, a heck of a lot of emigrants left Scotland because of the lack of opportunity and general disgust at the continued lack of ambition shown under Labour.

Council, Westminster or Holyrood?

FWIW i don't believe that. Don't know anyone who has moved out of Scotland due to Labour/Tory/SNP or whatever political party..

I would love to move but it's nowt to do with politicans..

If you are looking for ambition from your politicans then really FFS...

[sKipper]

Originally Posted by Smurf

Council, Westminster or Holyrood?

FWIW i don't believe that. Don't know anyone who has moved out of Scotland due to Labour/Tory/SNP or whatever political party..

I would love to move but it's nowt to do with politicans..

If you are looking for ambition from your politicans then really FFS...

Thats where we differ.

I most certainly do look for ambition from politicians, though as a nation we have been conditioned to accept pitifully little.

Things are now changing.

And peoiple do move because of politicians. Whether you like it or not politicos create the economic forces of the country and Scotland has been flat for decades.

[HailHail]

If we do end up independent, who owns all our fire engines, ambulances, hospital equipment , police gear etc? Would London take it all back?

and does anyone know what would happen to Scottish soldiers /regiments and their equipment? who would they belong to?

Recently got an email from someone at the SNP telling me the motability scheme will NOT be scrapped by them, either within the current setup or a fully independent Scotland, maybe they're no so bad after all

Oh and are the SNP monarchist? quicker asking on here than waiting 6 weeks for a reply from SNP website lol

[Dub]

Originally Posted by HailHail

If we do end up independent, who owns all our fire engines, ambulances, hospital equipment , police gear etc? Would London take it all back?

and does anyone know what would happen to Scottish soldiers /regiments and their equipment? who would they belong to?

I would guess, and I could be way off the mark here, that as we pay for all that stuff out of our taxes then we would continue to do so in an independant Scotland. After all the equipment isnt owned by Engerland and they wouldnt have the right to take it all away. Decal would probably be better placed to give an opinion on the fire brigade etc.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by sKipper

Don't forget though Dub, a heck of a lot of emigrants left Scotland because of the lack of opportunity and general disgust at the continued lack of ambition shown under Labour.

True a lot of people left Scotland to search for fame ad fortune or even a decent standard of living elsewhere but i'm not entirely convinced it was anthing to do with Labour. People left when the tories were in power as well I would have thought. In any event none of us really know what an independant Scotland would be like, if it turns out to be hugely succesful and prosperous then these emigrants might come back. Thats not what I was referring to, these people may have left because there wasnt the scope for them to earn enough money here, ****s like connory left becaue they wanted to keep as much of the cash they already had away from the taxman - fundamental difference IMO.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by HailHail

Oh and are the SNP monarchist? quicker asking on here than waiting 6 weeks for a reply from SNP website lol

They are..

Although IMO it's a totally dishonest policy.. A bit like New Labour on this issue..

[HailHail]

Originally Posted by Smurf

They are..

Although IMO it's a totally dishonest policy.. A bit like New Labour on this issue..

no Stuart restoration or republic then? ah sheesh.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by sKipper

Thats where we differ.

I most certainly do look for ambition from politicians, though as a nation we have been conditioned to accept pitifully little.

Things are now changing.

And peoiple do move because of politicians. Whether you like it or not politicos create the economic forces of the country and Scotland has been flat for decades.

You miss my point though. Of course our politicans should be ambitious for Scotland. I'd accept that in the main most Nationalist are but i think most Labour, Tory, Liberal & SSP are too...

However, my point was that it's a bit sad if you need politicans to have such an involvement in your life that their ambitions etc has such effect..

That's probably why i'm a Unionist actually as the extent that us Scots appear to want politicans in our lives scares the shit out of me..

FWIW it also places unreasonable demands and expectations on our politicans. It's the reason why i expect this SNP administration to fail..Expectations are quite ridiculous.