Workplace Discrimination

[Colr]

BRITAIN’S new equality chief has warned that mothers face more discrimination in work than any other group, including the disabled and the poorest ethnic minorities.

Trevor Phillips, in his first big policy announcement, is expected to propose sweeping “family friendly” laws and practices.

He supports the introduction of “annualised hours contracts”, allowing women to take entire weeks off work, if they make up the hours during the rest of the year. His report also recommends much wider use of job-sharing and childcare facilities.

The proposals are likely to anger business chiefs who fear such changes would undermine their competitiveness by imposing extra red tape and expensive employee rights.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1434612.ece



This is completely the case. I've seen knuckle headed bosses in previous jobs attempt shocking bullying of women with kids without justification.

[Forzahibs]

Originally Posted by Colr

BRITAIN’S new equality chief has warned that mothers face more discrimination in work than any other group, including the disabled and the poorest ethnic minorities.

Trevor Phillips, in his first big policy announcement, is expected to propose sweeping “family friendly” laws and practices.

He supports the introduction of “annualised hours contracts”, allowing women to take entire weeks off work, if they make up the hours during the rest of the year. His report also recommends much wider use of job-sharing and childcare facilities.

The proposals are likely to anger business chiefs who fear such changes would undermine their competitiveness by imposing extra red tape and expensive employee rights.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1434612.ece



This is completely the case. I've seen knuckle headed bosses in previous jobs attempt shocking bullying of women with kids without justification.

It would be hard running some businesses if that were to happen though

[Colr]

Originally Posted by Forzahibs

It would be hard running some businesses if that were to happen though

Much easier at professional level where a lot of that flexibility is beginning to creep in - in London at any rate.

[sKipper]

Originally Posted by Forzahibs

It would be hard running some businesses if that were to happen though

Not to mention men having to work twice as hard to cover their non attendance ! Equality ma erse.

[Forzahibs]

Most folk i know managed to bring up kids without all this pish so why can't people manage it now

[wee 162]

My view on this is probably going to surprise a few folk but I don't think that this is discrimination. Discrimination imo is someone not getting the same respect or rights, and as far as I can see this is not what is being described here.

Personally it doesn't bother me, but I know a lot of people with no kids who get extremely pissed off about the flexibility given to parents when that is never even considered for those who are childless.

If they want to bring this in, then I would say fair enough, but it really isn't a discrimination issue afaic. In actual fact what I would say is what would be discrimination is only giving these rights to mums and not dads...

[tortohibee]

why does this only apply to woman. i had to take 1 weeks holiday to look after my son who had chicken pox while my female colleagues get special leave for this. i work in a predominantly female work environment ( social work departement ) and you wouldnt believe the sexism put on the male staff ie the crappy jobs get punted my way when a female worker can do the work equaly as well. also they get later starts for childcare bla bla bla while i cant yet i have a three year old child that needs to go to nursery. besides that my partners work is shocking


1-0 caley yipeeee

[Colr]

Originally Posted by sKipper

Not to mention men having to work twice as hard to cover their non attendance ! Equality ma erse.

That's bollocks (no pun intended). You get paid for the hours you work.

[Colr]

Originally Posted by tortohibee

why does this only apply to woman. i had to take 1 weeks holiday to look after my son who had chicken pox while my female colleagues get special leave for this. i work in a predominantly female work environment ( social work departement ) and you wouldnt believe the sexism put on the male staff ie the crappy jobs get punted my way when a female worker can do the work equaly as well. also they get later starts for childcare bla bla bla while i cant yet i have a three year old child that needs to go to nursery. besides that my partners work is shocking


1-0 caley yipeeee

It should work for both parents, I agree.

[Forzahibs]

Originally Posted by Colr

That's bollocks (no pun intended). You get paid for the hours you work.

But someone will have to do the work not done by the person not there

[Colr]

Originally Posted by Forzahibs

But someone will have to do the work not done by the person not there

....and get paid for it I'm not aware of anyone who can do two jobs at the same time.

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by Colr

....and get paid for it

And be deprived of a life outside of work so someone else gets time of for 'bonding'!

[Colr]

Originally Posted by cavalier

And be deprived of a life outside of work so someone else gets time of for 'bonding'!

How so? Nobody is talking about abstarct stuff here, its the practicalisties of parnethood.

[Forzahibs]

Originally Posted by Colr

....and get paid for it I'm not aware of anyone who can do two jobs at the same time.

So the work just goes undone ?? Or perhaps it does itself
More likely others will have to do it between them

[Forzahibs]

Originally Posted by Colr

How so? Nobody is talking about abstarct stuff here, its the practicalisties of parnethood.

Are you Mandy in disguise

[sKipper]

Originally Posted by Colr

That's bollocks (no pun intended). You get paid for the hours you work.

You obviously haven't worked for the company I do.

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by sKipper

You obviously haven't worked for the company I do.

I think col works for that famous employer 'utopia' skipp!

[Hampden_Hibby]

An employer can get round this stuff easy - employ as few women as possible. That unfortunately is where 'positive discrimination' can ironically lead.

[Colr]

Originally Posted by sKipper

You obviously haven't worked for the company I do.

Maybe so. Perhaps discrimination is the wrong word to use, but with longer and longer hours being worked in the UK and a culture in which people are subject to "comment" if they leave work on time, it gets very difficult for women (and it is usually women, although to issues apply to both parents) to look after children (especially when schools kick them out at 15:30) and keep a career going.

What was being proposed is flexible working and annualised contracts - basically you get paid for what you work. Home working is also offering some a degree of flexibility. I think he parhaps should have addressed the underlying problem in his statement which is work/life balance but it is true that there are some neanderthal empoyers around who don't recognise this as a problem and don't see why they should help staff to work as best as they can. Its more of an issue in London where staff are more valued as there aren't enough to go round. Certainly when I worked in Scotland staff were treated with less regard so its an extension of a bigger issue.

[Colr]

From this morning's Telegraph

Women with young children suffer the most discrimination at work, according to a study released today.

The report into inequality in Britain found that a mother with a child under 11 was nearly 50 per cent less likely to be recruited than a man. The Equalities Review, which publishes its final report today, was commissioned by Tony Blair in 2005 to examine persistent inequality of all kinds.

In an interim report last March, it said it had found evidence of "chronic, persistent and unjust inequalities" in British society. Published later today, the final report is expected to reveal that working mothers face more discrimination in the workplace than disabled people or those from ethnic minorities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nwomen128.xml

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by wee 162

My view on this is probably going to surprise a few folk but I don't think that this is discrimination. Discrimination imo is someone not getting the same respect or rights, and as far as I can see this is not what is being described here.

Personally it doesn't bother me, but I know a lot of people with no kids who get extremely pissed off about the flexibility given to parents when that is never even considered for those who are childless.

If they want to bring this in, then I would say fair enough, but it really isn't a discrimination issue afaic. In actual fact what I would say is what would be discrimination is only giving these rights to mums and not dads...

fair point. but then again, you childless chaps should be getting much more tax and less wages. so there's a taking the rough with the smooth angle to this compadre

btw your critique above applies to almost all 'positive discrimination'. is your view consistent in other areas?