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Seven Tattoos · 20-09-06, 14:14

I really should be back on the phone by now but this headline on page 9 of today's 'Times' caught my attention. Given the strong political views, veering from the left to the right of the spectrum, that some Bouncers have, I wondered what the consensus would be on this site. I'm clueless with computers so I don't know how to set a poll up but I agree with smacking children (in moderation) as an absolute final resort when all other forms of discipline have failed. Can I emphasise that violence is not something I personally like (I'm as soft as shite!) but that we do not live in a perfect world and that it is appropriate in certain circumstances with children, i.e. as a last resort by parents and by teachers at school.

Ladies and gentlemen, the smacking of children by parents and the belt or the cane by teachers at school. Acceptable as an absolute last resort when all other forms of discipline have failed or barbarism that should be outlawed? Discuss.

Colr · 20-09-06, 14:20

Fear imposed through violence is not the best way to learn and will backfire eventually if it is the only mechanism of social control.

Seven Tattoos · 20-09-06, 14:27

That's all well and good but I received the odd smacked erse as a bairn and I haven't grown up to be a violent individual. We don't live in a perfect world and sometimes, when nothing else has worked, it is the only effective instrument. Children are human beings too, contained of human nature and therefore dominated by its less palatable charecteristics.

And as a former trainee teacher discipline is pretty much non-existent at schools as violence was the only thing most of the little shits and bullies understood.

Sad but true.

**Purple & Green** · 20-09-06, 14:37

if its okay to smack children, why is no okay to smack an adult?

I choose not to smack, its no a discipline for me.

Colr · 20-09-06, 14:39

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That's all well and good but I received the odd smacked erse as a bairn and I haven't grown up to be a violent individual. We don't live in a perfect world and sometimes, when nothing else has worked, it is the only effective instrument. Children are human beings too, contained of human nature and therefore dominated by its less palatable charecteristics.

And as a former trainee teacher discipline is pretty much non-existent at schools as violence was the only thing most of the little shits and bullies understood.

Sad but true.

Private schools got rid of CP a long time ago and don't have the same problems with kids, no?

**Daddy'O'Hibee** · 20-09-06, 14:45

My father verbally destroyed me when i was doing wrong, it made me feel worse than my Mum knocking ten bells of shite out of me, i think i'l have a pratice on Owen the day for not tidying his room. You vote good talking too, or a kicking.

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Seven Tattoos · 20-09-06, 14:51

Bobby S - you raise a very good issue, I'm quite possibly in a minority of one on this forum but when I read of thugs mugging old age pensioners I would quite happily see them birched. Some may see that as barbaric, I think they'd be getting what they deserved.

Looks like I'm outvoted 'five to one'. Good job I didn't think it was just the name of a Doors song.

Seven Tattoos · 20-09-06, 14:56

Colr - I can't speak for fee-paying schools, I was educated in the state sector and my teaching experience was there.

However, I do think some people are being very idealistic here. Human beings are animals and therefore violent. There is a large, violent underclass in society. And, ironic as it may sound, violence does sometimes solve violence.

Daddy O - take your point about Owen, but, while I don't personally know either of you, if the articulate manner of your son's posts reveals anything about his personality then he is generally someone who respects his father's wishes (within reason, teenagers will always be teachers). Also, the article in question quotes a woman who only last week smacked her son after the usual (carried-out) threats to remove 'treats' (in his case a playstation) failed.

oo2beahibby · 20-09-06, 14:57

I haven't smacked my kids since they were about three or so, the main reason being that one time after doing the deed (which was nothing more than the proverbial skite oan the thigh) I realised that I did it because of my anger, not because he deserved it.

Like Daddy says, there are far more effective ways of 'punishing' bairns for their wrong-doings.

The violence in schools bit worries me more, to be honest. That's not to say that I think corporal punishment should return to schools as I don't think CP would solve the problem. I think it's a combination of a general lack of respect towards 'authority' by both parents and children, and a reflection of the different culture that is our world today from 50-60 years ago.

**beefy** · 20-09-06, 15:38

Last week my mate(37) was at the bus stop.As the bus pulled up to the stop,2 young laddies around 13/14 ran up to the window,1 spat a dirty big greener on the window where on the inside 2 OAPs were sitting.The old dears were visibly shocked.
My mate was raging,he went up to 1 and skelped the git round the back of the head.
The laddie was speechless,probably couldnt believe that somebody actually had the balls to challenge him.
My mate thought he was gonna get all sorts of abuse from them,but no,they mumbled that they didnt mean it.
He didnt hit the boy hard,but i for one am glad he did it.
The queue was big but everybody was too scared to do or say anything.If he didnt do what he did,the youngsters wouldnt think of the consequences of their actions.

Well done Kelly.

**Forzahibs** · 20-09-06, 15:38

Make it 5-2 , i think so long as its not taken too far its acceptable

**Decal Joe** · 20-09-06, 15:49

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Last week my mate(37) was at the bus stop.As the bus pulled up to the stop,2 young laddies around 13/14 ran up to the window,1 spat a dirty big greener on the window where on the inside 2 OAPs were sitting.The old dears were visibly shocked.
My mate was raging,he went up to 1 and skelped the git round the back of the head.
The laddie was speechless,probably couldnt believe that somebody actually had the balls to challenge him.
My mate thought he was gonna get all sorts of abuse from them,but no,they mumbled that they didnt mean it.
He didnt hit the boy hard,but i for one am glad he did it.
The queue was big but everybody was too scared to do or say anything.If he didnt do what he did,the youngsters wouldnt think of the consequences of their actions.

Well done Kelly.

Good stuff!

Your pal's no PC Murdoch is he?
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Sometimes I feel like having a word in some little cherub's ear, but because they're not mine I no longer feel it's appropriate! In days gone by the Kids may have got a fright from a telling of from a stranger now it would result in broken windows and a vandalised car!!
it's no worth it!

Gettin' back to my own Kids, yes I think a wee smack can be effective under the right circumstances!

In answer to the question that's bound to crop up about me thinking is it OK to hit another adult, I would probably say I don't punch my Kids in the face and I wouldn't have a controlled measured slap of a Mans leg in a boozer!!

**StevieC** · 20-09-06, 15:49

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My mate thought he was gonna get all sorts of abuse from them,but no,they mumbled that they didnt mean it.

I wouldn't so much about the abuse as the wee tykes turning round and getting you charged!!!

I would have no worries about giving some reprobate a clout for putting other people in a state of alarm but the trouble is that the law (not justice) will always fall on their side .. and they know it!
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I can live with a bit of abuse or getting a couple of stones thrown at me from a distance .. I cant risk getting hauled through the courts as it would affect my ability to earn a wage.

**beefy** · 20-09-06, 15:51

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I wouldn't so much about the abuse as the wee tykes turning round and getting you charged!!!

I would have no worries about giving some reprobate a clout for putting other people in a state of alarm but the trouble is that the law (not justice) will always fall on their side .. and they know it!
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Spot on Stevie.

**StevieC** · 20-09-06, 15:53

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I wouldn't have a controlled measured slap of a Mans leg in a boozer!!

Is that your story and you're sticking to it?
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**Decal Joe** · 20-09-06, 15:54

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Is that your story and you're sticking to it?
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I was actually going to write 'unless he was really worth it!' but you read my mind anyway!
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**Daddy'O'Hibee** · 20-09-06, 15:57

It really should be left to each individual parent on how to bring up their kids. The smack on the bottom or hand may be fine, but severe beatings is not on. I think even as kids we know when we do wrong, punishment is deserved. I let my little girl out with my eldest son many years ago, she disappeared for what seemed an eternity, i feared the worst, but found her after a frantic search, i smacked them both, in truth it was my fault in the first place for not being with them, i think what i'm trying to say is, there are lots of different situations where we can overeact, fact i smacked my daughter when i was so relieved to find her, shows a simple human nature. Talking to them and explaining why it's wrong is the best and simple way in my opinion. Jeez im rambling on, need a clout on the lug.

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Seven Tattoos · 20-09-06, 16:01

...and the last couple of posts extend the themes this debate touches on from the simply moral, i.e. is it right or is it wrong, to the legal, i.e. why does the law seem to always protect the violent wrong-doer but not the public-spirited individual who reprimands or physically chastises them?

A wee story from my mis-spent youth for you. As a 12 year old I was walking home after school on a typically miserable January afternoon in Strathaven. A Cathkin cleaners van drove past and ma mate dared me to throw a showball at it. Being the gullible, simple fool I was (and often still am) I did as I was bid, and remarkably landed a peach of a shot right in his windscreen. Me and ma mate were peerless with laughter. Until the driver (who had skidded on a busy, treacherous road due to our stupidity) got out and explained, in the colourful language the west coast is notorious for, the finer points of my misdemeanor to us. I don't mind admitting I went bright red and was visibily shitin it as he emphasised if he ever saw me doing that again to anyone he'd kick ma phuckin heed in.

Possibly, the look of utter fear on my coupon saved me from a doin, but, lookin back, if he'd skelped me for it then I'd've deserved it.

Sometimes (and with some bairns) a skelp is necessary.

**Dub** · 20-09-06, 16:04

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Bobby S - you raise a very good issue, I'm quite possibly in a minority of one on this forum but when I read of thugs mugging old age pensioners I would quite happily see them birched. Some may see that as barbaric, I think they'd be getting what they deserved.

Looks like I'm outvoted 'five to one'. Good job I didn't think it was just the name of a Doors song.

No you're not. Including Forzas vote it must be 5 to 3 now. In some circumstances (see below) I think the only alternative may be violence. People say that violence doesnt sort anything, they are wrong its sort out violence.

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Last week my mate(37) was at the bus stop.As the bus pulled up to the stop,2 young laddies around 13/14 ran up to the window,1 spat a dirty big greener on the window where on the inside 2 OAPs were sitting.The old dears were visibly shocked.
My mate was raging,he went up to 1 and skelped the git round the back of the head.
The laddie was speechless,probably couldnt believe that somebody actually had the balls to challenge him.
My mate thought he was gonna get all sorts of abuse from them,but no,they mumbled that they didnt mean it.
He didnt hit the boy hard,but i for one am glad he did it.
The queue was big but everybody was too scared to do or say anything.If he didnt do what he did,the youngsters wouldnt think of the consequences of their actions.

Well done Kelly.

Aye well done Kelly. If there were more people around who had the balls to do something about this kind of thing then it wouldnt happen so often.

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Make it 5-2 , i think so long as its not taken too far its acceptable

Agreed.

**wee 162** · 20-09-06, 16:05

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I really should be back on the phone by now but this headline on page 9 of today's 'Times' caught my attention. Given the strong political views, veering from the left to the right of the spectrum, that some Bouncers have, I wondered what the consensus would be on this site. I'm clueless with computers so I don't know how to set a poll up but I agree with smacking children (in moderation) as an absolute final resort when all other forms of discipline have failed. Can I emphasise that violence is not something I personally like (I'm as soft as shite!) but that we do not live in a perfect world and that it is appropriate in certain circumstances with children, i.e. as a last resort by parents and by teachers at school.

Ladies and gentlemen, the smacking of children by parents and the belt or the cane by teachers at school. Acceptable as an absolute last resort when all other forms of discipline have failed or barbarism that should be outlawed? Discuss.

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20-09-06, 14:14	#1
Seven Tattoos Timothy Claypole Radge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cardiff Age: 37 Posts: 1,913 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 5	Majority of parents admit to smacking children I really should be back on the phone by now but this headline on page 9 of today's 'Times' caught my attention. Given the strong political views, veering from the left to the right of the spectrum, that some Bouncers have, I wondered what the consensus would be on this site. I'm clueless with computers so I don't know how to set a poll up but I agree with smacking children (in moderation) as an absolute final resort when all other forms of discipline have failed. Can I emphasise that violence is not something I personally like (I'm as soft as shite!) but that we do not live in a perfect world and that it is appropriate in certain circumstances with children, i.e. as a last resort by parents and by teachers at school. Ladies and gentlemen, the smacking of children by parents and the belt or the cane by teachers at school. Acceptable as an absolute last resort when all other forms of discipline have failed or barbarism that should be outlawed? Discuss. __________________ Hiiiiiiiiiiiiigh Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!

20-09-06, 14:20	#2
Colr The Radge Doon the Road Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Age: 41 Posts: 21,451 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 38	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children Fear imposed through violence is not the best way to learn and will backfire eventually if it is the only mechanism of social control. __________________ There is a simple answer to every question..........and it's wrong. Einstein

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Seven Tattoos Timothy Claypole Radge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cardiff Age: 37 Posts: 1,913 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children That's all well and good but I received the odd smacked erse as a bairn and I haven't grown up to be a violent individual. We don't live in a perfect world and sometimes, when nothing else has worked, it is the only effective instrument. Children are human beings too, contained of human nature and therefore dominated by its less palatable charecteristics. And as a former trainee teacher discipline is pretty much non-existent at schools as violence was the only thing most of the little shits and bullies understood. Sad but true. __________________ Hiiiiiiiiiiiiigh Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!

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Daddy'O'Hibee The Dancin Radge Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Edinburgh Age: 46 Posts: 2,661 vCash: 500 My Mood: Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 6	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children My father verbally destroyed me when i was doing wrong, it made me feel worse than my Mum knocking ten bells of shite out of me, i think i'l have a pratice on Owen the day for not tidying his room. You vote good talking too, or a kicking. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Get it done, or no Hibs game, does the trick everytime. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

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Seven Tattoos Timothy Claypole Radge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cardiff Age: 37 Posts: 1,913 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children Bobby S - you raise a very good issue, I'm quite possibly in a minority of one on this forum but when I read of thugs mugging old age pensioners I would quite happily see them birched. Some may see that as barbaric, I think they'd be getting what they deserved. Looks like I'm outvoted 'five to one'. Good job I didn't think it was just the name of a Doors song. __________________ Hiiiiiiiiiiiiigh Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!

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Seven Tattoos Timothy Claypole Radge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cardiff Age: 37 Posts: 1,913 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children Colr - I can't speak for fee-paying schools, I was educated in the state sector and my teaching experience was there. However, I do think some people are being very idealistic here. Human beings are animals and therefore violent. There is a large, violent underclass in society. And, ironic as it may sound, violence does sometimes solve violence. Daddy O - take your point about Owen, but, while I don't personally know either of you, if the articulate manner of your son's posts reveals anything about his personality then he is generally someone who respects his father's wishes (within reason, teenagers will always be teachers). Also, the article in question quotes a woman who only last week smacked her son after the usual (carried-out) threats to remove 'treats' (in his case a playstation) failed. __________________ Hiiiiiiiiiiiiigh Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!

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beefy Easy Now Radge Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: stuck between the moon and new york city Posts: 7,150 vCash: 500 Thanks: 214 Thanked 670 Times in 292 Posts Rep Power: 34	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children Last week my mate(37) was at the bus stop.As the bus pulled up to the stop,2 young laddies around 13/14 ran up to the window,1 spat a dirty big greener on the window where on the inside 2 OAPs were sitting.The old dears were visibly shocked. My mate was raging,he went up to 1 and skelped the git round the back of the head. The laddie was speechless,probably couldnt believe that somebody actually had the balls to challenge him. My mate thought he was gonna get all sorts of abuse from them,but no,they mumbled that they didnt mean it. He didnt hit the boy hard,but i for one am glad he did it. The queue was big but everybody was too scared to do or say anything.If he didnt do what he did,the youngsters wouldnt think of the consequences of their actions. Well done Kelly.

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Forzahibs Non Plastic Radge Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Glenrothes Age: 47 Posts: 19,108 vCash: 500 Thanks: 2 Thanked 103 Times in 74 Posts Rep Power: 45	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children Make it 5-2 , i think so long as its not taken too far its acceptable

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Daddy'O'Hibee The Dancin Radge Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Edinburgh Age: 46 Posts: 2,661 vCash: 500 My Mood: Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 6	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children It really should be left to each individual parent on how to bring up their kids. The smack on the bottom or hand may be fine, but severe beatings is not on. I think even as kids we know when we do wrong, punishment is deserved. I let my little girl out with my eldest son many years ago, she disappeared for what seemed an eternity, i feared the worst, but found her after a frantic search, i smacked them both, in truth it was my fault in the first place for not being with them, i think what i'm trying to say is, there are lots of different situations where we can overeact, fact i smacked my daughter when i was so relieved to find her, shows a simple human nature. Talking to them and explaining why it's wrong is the best and simple way in my opinion. Jeez im rambling on, need a clout on the lug. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

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Seven Tattoos Timothy Claypole Radge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cardiff Age: 37 Posts: 1,913 vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 5	Re: Majority of parents admit to smacking children ...and the last couple of posts extend the themes this debate touches on from the simply moral, i.e. is it right or is it wrong, to the legal, i.e. why does the law seem to always protect the violent wrong-doer but not the public-spirited individual who reprimands or physically chastises them? A wee story from my mis-spent youth for you. As a 12 year old I was walking home after school on a typically miserable January afternoon in Strathaven. A Cathkin cleaners van drove past and ma mate dared me to throw a showball at it. Being the gullible, simple fool I was (and often still am) I did as I was bid, and remarkably landed a peach of a shot right in his windscreen. Me and ma mate were peerless with laughter. Until the driver (who had skidded on a busy, treacherous road due to our stupidity) got out and explained, in the colourful language the west coast is notorious for, the finer points of my misdemeanor to us. I don't mind admitting I went bright red and was visibily shitin it as he emphasised if he ever saw me doing that again to anyone he'd kick ma phuckin heed in. Possibly, the look of utter fear on my coupon saved me from a doin, but, lookin back, if he'd skelped me for it then I'd've deserved it. Sometimes (and with some bairns) a skelp is necessary. __________________ Hiiiiiiiiiiiiigh Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!