Gordon Brwon "stand with Margaret Thatcher" on the Union

[pilrig70]

"I stand with people like Mrs Thatcher, who believed that the Union was important to the Conservatives." - Gordon Brown



So The Man Who Would Be King now stands shoulder to shoulder with the auld Nazi witch. What an arse.


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[Smurf]

I don't see the big deal. His point related to the Union.

Ever heard Tony Benn say he agreed and stood with Margaret Thatcher on Europe?
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[Colr]

Usual barking at the moon whenever Thatcher's name is mentioned.
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[pilrig70]

It would appear that its just the Bounce's usual suspects who rush to Gordon Brown's side on this one.

I'd guess that the majority of Bouncers (of those who care one way or another) will see Gordon Brown for what he is... a slimy Anglo-centric Brit who wants to cosy up to the most despised Prime Minister in history and save a Union thats going rapidly down the shitter where it belongs.


FOR THE RECORD:

Political Parties which support The Union:

New Labour
The Conservative Party
Liberal Democrats
British National Party
UK Independence Party
Ulster Unionist Party
Democratic Unionist Party

Political Parties which support Scottish Independence:

Scottish National Party
Scottish Greens
Scottish Socialist Party


Gordon and his New Labour Brits are in with a right shower of scumbags there....

[Hibbie0762]

Originally Posted by pilrig70
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It would appear that its just the Bounce's usual suspects who rush to Gordon Brown's side on this one.

Just as it would appear that at least one of the Bounce's separatists immediately rushes the other way. Hardly man bites dog.

Political Parties which support Scottish Independence:

Scottish National Party
Scottish Greens
Scottish Socialist Party

Tells one everything one needs to know really. And talking of the SSP, where does Shagger (allegedly!) Sheridan and his Tommydarity mob stand on the matter? Or doesn't he care who runs Scotland as long as he has a permatan and a hairy back?

[snoots]

Originally Posted by Colr
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Usual barking at the moon whenever Thatcher's name is mentioned.
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[Smurf]

Originally Posted by pilrig70
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I'd guess that the majority of Bouncers (of those who care one way or another) will see Gordon Brown for what he is... a slimy Anglo-centric Brit who wants to cosy up to the most despised Prime Minister in history

Bit nonetheless has been elected Three times and is the most successful Labour leader and Labour politican in it's history..

[pilrig70]

Thatcher will always be much more despised than Tony Blur.

But that aside, with regards to TB, successful at what?

Ramming his snout up George Bush's dodgy rectum?

Or successfully beating the other one and a half utterly useless political parties in England to get rent free accomodation at Downing Street for ten years?

Even middle England is unlikely to get the red, white and blue bunting out for that.


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[Smurf]

Originally Posted by pilrig70
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Thatcher will always be much more despised than Tony Blur.

But that aside, with regards to TB, successful at what?

Ramming his snout up George Bush's dodgy rectum?

Or successfully beating the other one and a half utterly useless political parties in England to get rent free accomodation at Downing Street for ten years?

Even middle England is unlikely to get the red, white and blue bunting out for that.


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I could list many Achievements by Tony Blair and his NL project but lets not go there..

What haven't they done that you would like?

[HenryLB]

FOR THE RECORD:

Political Parties which support The Union:

New Labour
The Conservative Party
Liberal Democrats
British National Party
UK Independence Party
Ulster Unionist Party
Democratic Unionist Party

I've always thought that it's a bit of a dodgy principle deciding the merits of a policy by who agrees or disagrees with it. For example, The fourth-listed party on your roll call opposed the Iraq war. But you presumably wouldn't enjoy a thread title like "Pilrig70 "stands with the BNP" on the war in Iraq".

[pilrig70]

I was at a lot of the anti-war protests in Edinburgh over the last four years and didnt see sight nor sign of the BNP. Havent heard of them taking part in any anti-war events alongside the left anywhere.

Athough I'm not disputing what you say as many Nazis traditionally hate jews and the state of Israel and would opportunistically side with the enemies of the zionist state there.

The far right are a confused deluded and contradictory bunch... unlike Scotland's growing independence movement which is getting more focussed, more united, and more credible as we approach the elections on May 2007.


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[Colr]

Originally Posted by pilrig70
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It would appear that its just the Bounce's usual suspects who rush to Gordon Brown's side on this one.

I'd guess that the majority of Bouncers (of those who care one way or another) will see Gordon Brown for what he is... a slimy Anglo-centric Brit who wants to cosy up to the most despised Prime Minister in history and save a Union thats going rapidly down the shitter where it belongs.


FOR THE RECORD:

Political Parties which support The Union:

New Labour
The Conservative Party
Liberal Democrats
British National Party
UK Independence Party
Ulster Unionist Party
Democratic Unionist Party

Political Parties which support Scottish Independence:

Scottish National Party
Scottish Greens
Scottish Socialist Party


Gordon and his New Labour Brits are in with a right shower of scumbags there....

I would like to clarify that I am not defending Gordon Brown.

[Pilrig]

Originally Posted by The Flair Team
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I could list many Achievements by Tony Blair and his NL project but lets not go there..

What haven't they done that you would like?

Jumped off Salisbury Crags.

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by The Flair Team
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I could list many Achievements by Tony Blair and his NL project but lets not go there..

What haven't they done that you would like?

Achieved more with all the money they've spent?

Not installed the surveillance infrastructure of a totalitarian state?

Not taken the contempt for truth and the debasement of language to olympian heights, even by political standards.

Supported the family more?

Not created hundreds of new laws on dubious grounds?

Not doubled consumer debt?

Not destroyed the pension system?

Not used the legal system to enshrine idealogical views?

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by Pilrig
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Jumped off Salisbury Crags.

I think the truth is that you hate them because they are Unionists. End of story.

I think the reality is that you would prefer a crap Government in a separate Independent Scotland - as long as it was an Independent Scottish Government - than any effective Government in the political union of the UK. You're choice and you're entitled to it and i respect it.

FWIW i think this NL administration has failed to deliver on expectations but overall they've been a pretty compotent and decent lot who on the whole have been a Government for us all. One Nation Politics.

Tell me any other UK Government that has redistributed in the way this NL Government has?

Certainly in my lifetime the best Government for the UK and more importantly Scotland.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs
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Achieved more with all the money they've spent?

Not installed the surveillance infrastructure of a totalitarian state?

Not taken the contempt for truth and the debasement of language to olympian heights, even by political standards.

Supported the family more?

Not created hundreds of new laws on dubious grounds?

Not doubled consumer debt?

Not destroyed the pension system?

Not used the legal system to enshrine idealogical views?

You list a lot of faults but there are also achievements - no?

Of course they've not been perfect - far far from it - but has there been a better Government in your lifetime? Is there any other Government in the world that you look at and say 'I wish i had such a Government here in the UK/Scotland'?

I just think it's easy to knock.
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[Pilrig]

Originally Posted by The Flair Team
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I think the truth is that you hate them because they are Unionists. End of story.

I think the reality is that you would prefer a crap Government in a separate Independent Scotland - as long as it was an Independent Scottish Government - than any effective Government in the political union of the UK. You're choice and you're entitled to it and i respect it.

FWIW i think this NL administration has failed to deliver on expectations but overall they've been a pretty compotent and decent lot who on the whole have been a Government for us all. One Nation Politics.

Tell me any other UK Government that has redistributed in the way this NL Government has?

Certainly in my lifetime the best Government for the UK and more importantly Scotland.

Oh come on I don't hate them. If they kicked my dog or banned me from taking a book on a plane, I'd get the wife to stick needles in plasticene effegies of B & B and the non-saviour of Monklands A & E.
Nope, simply regard them as continuations of the Thatcher/Major governments. Anyway how could anyone hate the co-author (G. Broon) of that fantastic 70s tome "Alternative Edinburgh" ?