Scottish league reforms

[TattooedHibee]

Whats everyone opinion on the proposed changes in the scottish league?


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I feel that a whole overhaul should take place. That includes the SPL. Get rid of this daft split and simplify it. Wonder what all the mediocre teams within the SPL feel about the playoff plan between 11th in the premier and 2nd, 3rd, 4th from the first.
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United, Falkirk, Dunfermline and St.Mirren will reject it hands down.

[Steve20]

I am all for 11th place going into a play-off. What I dont get is why include 3rd and 4th in the First division? Just make it simple. 2nd top in the first v 2nd bottom in the SPL in a play off.

[KABULHIBBY]

Originally Posted by TattooedHibee

Whats everyone opinion on the proposed changes in the scottish league?


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I feel that a whole overhaul should take place. That includes the SPL. Get rid of this daft split and simplify it. Wonder what all the mediocre teams within the SPL feel about the playoff plan between 11th in the premier and 2nd, 3rd, 4th from the first.
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United, Falkirk, Dunfermline and St.Mirren will reject it hands down.

There was a guy on one of the phone ins a few weeks ago that had a workable idea based on a 14 team league.

The basics were play each team home and away once, then split into to 7 team leagues playing the other teams home and away again. Two decent advantages are there isn't an odd amount of home/away splits and it ensures that the titile/europe/relegation issues aren't completed prior to the split.

Couple in 2 up 2 down relegation and it seems a fairly good basis for a new league structure

[bigmanandy]

Originally Posted by KABULHIBBY

There was a guy on one of the phone ins a few weeks ago that had a workable idea based on a 14 team league.

The basics were play each team home and away once, then split into to 7 team leagues playing the other teams home and away again. Two decent advantages are there isn't an odd amount of home/away splits and it ensures that the titile/europe/relegation issues aren't completed prior to the split.

Couple in 2 up 2 down relegation and it seems a fairly good basis for a new league structure

Sounds great to me think the leagues at the moment are ridiculous and we need to make it more exciting than it is so am all for it
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[TattooedHibee]

Originally Posted by KABULHIBBY

There was a guy on one of the phone ins a few weeks ago that had a workable idea based on a 14 team league.

The basics were play each team home and away once, then split into to 7 team leagues playing the other teams home and away again. Two decent advantages are there isn't an odd amount of home/away splits and it ensures that the titile/europe/relegation issues aren't completed prior to the split.

Couple in 2 up 2 down relegation and it seems a fairly good basis for a new league structure

Sounds alot more simpler and fairer in regards to post split but I feel as a league we need to move away from the split altogther. If we pushed for a 18 team league it might make competition stronger against the old firm with only 2 games against each opposition. However this only totals to 34 games a season and misses the 36 fixtures UEFA require.

There just is too much a gap between adding one or two teams and four or six into the SPL.

[KABULHIBBY]

Originally Posted by TattooedHibee

Sounds alot more simpler and fairer in regards to post split but I feel as a league we need to move away from the split altogther. If we pushed for a 18 team league it might make competition stronger against the old firm with only 2 games against each opposition. However this only totals to 34 games a season and misses the 36 fixtures UEFA require.

There just is too much a gap between adding one or two teams and four or six into the SPL.

That's why the other format works, it gives the 38 game balance. Plus I think we should go to 2 up 2 down relegation regardless and instigate a play off system similar to Englands with a final to be held at Hampden.

[part/time supporter]

Originally Posted by KABULHIBBY

There was a guy on one of the phone ins a few weeks ago that had a workable idea based on a 14 team league.

The basics were play each team home and away once, then split into to 7 team leagues playing the other teams home and away again.

But with 7 teams in each half, there would have to be two teams twiddling their thumbs each week after the split. This would also mean possible last day problems. For example, Celtic complete their schedule on the penultimate matchday, and are 3 points and 3 goals ahead of Rangers after that day. Rangers then know that they have to win by 4 goals to win the league.

The best idea IMO would be to extend the SPL to 18 teams and just play each other twice. Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Celtic will oppose this, however, because they need the income from extra derby matches.

[KABULHIBBY]

Originally Posted by part/time supporter

But with 7 teams in each half, there would have to be two teams twiddling their thumbs each week after the split. This would also mean possible last day problems. For example, Celtic complete their schedule on the penultimate matchday, and are 3 points and 3 goals ahead of Rangers after that day. Rangers then know that they have to win by 4 goals to win the league.

The best idea IMO would be to extend the SPL to 18 teams and just play each other twice. Hibs, Hearts, Rangers and Celtic will oppose this, however, because they need the income from extra derby matches.

However with the 2week break that is pencilled in for the SPL this just gives it at a staggered time to each club meaning that momentum is not lost by being inactive for 2 weeks.

[wee 162]

Originally Posted by KABULHIBBY

There was a guy on one of the phone ins a few weeks ago that had a workable idea based on a 14 team league.

The basics were play each team home and away once, then split into to 7 team leagues playing the other teams home and away again. Two decent advantages are there isn't an odd amount of home/away splits and it ensures that the titile/europe/relegation issues aren't completed prior to the split.

Couple in 2 up 2 down relegation and it seems a fairly good basis for a new league structure

Means two teams don't have a game every weekend post split since it is an odd number of teamwhich extends the season by two match dates. Really tough to find the extra dates in what is a pretty busy calendar, especially when there are always games which have to be re-arranged due to the Scottish Cup, League Cup final, and there are usually postponements as well at that time of year.

Don't understand the UEFA thing about number of games, I thought 38 was the maximum for top leagues, not the lower limit. There are plenty of leagues around Europe which have less games than that.

In terms of changes I would make the top league 18 teams, with 1 league below it the same. Bring in the junior clubs, teams who finish below the 36th place in the league, Highland league clubs, EoS Seniors etc, and create a split regional league north and south of about 10 teams each. They play off against each other to see who wins promotion to the second division proper.

[HailHail]

This could be the most positive thing for Scottish football in decades. About time our top leagues stopped being a closed shop, and about time some of the diddy 2nd and 3rd division teams proved they were worth their place in the senior set up. aren't we the only league in europe with a "closed shop" set up?

[part/time supporter]

The SJFA are saying that their clubs don't necessarily want access to SFL.


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[GloryGlory]

Is one of the main reasons for not making the SPL bigger not to do with clubs getting less money as the prize money and T.V money need to be spread out more widely. I'd love a bigger league so as it wasnt so repetitive playing the same teams all the time but if it comes at a financial cost to the league then I'd be against it.

[Marchmont Hibs]

I'm not too bothered about the changes to the SPL and 1st Division, although in my opionon an extra relegation spot in the SPL would be a good thing - what I have wanted to see for a long time is relegation from the 3rd Division and finally it's being talked about!

With no relegation and changeover of teams the lower leagues have been totally stagnating.

It's also not fair on teams like Spartans who are obviously punching above their weight in the EoS league not getting the opertunity for promotion.

I would go the whole hog and have 2 relegated from the 3rd Division and 2 promoted after a playoff system featuring the winners of the EoS, Highland and other leagues. The only problem I can see this causing is travel costs.

[Gunnerhibby]

Plans for a complete overhaul of Scottish Fitbaw are long overdue.

I have thought for a long time why we did'nae adopt the Engerlush "pyramid" system, giving access to teams outwith the "pro" league.

Teams like Albion Rovers(3rd bottom), East Fife(2nd bottom) and East Stirling(bottom) might even benefit from a "recuperating" period in a regional Junior, or East Senior, type league.

There are plenty teams iin the Junior ranks who have similar, or better, facilities than some SFL teams. Some can also boast of higher gates too.

As far as the SPL clubs go, well, its like turkeys voting for Xmas. Some just wont go along with it in case it they have a bad season and end up in the relegation zone. They dont give a fcuk about the state of the game as a whole, as long as they have their 3-4 games against the Infirm, that keeps them afloat.

I've always thought we should go back to playing each other twice a season, bringing the SPL back up to 16 teams. This gives us 30 games a season and keeps us in with Uefa for CL place(s). Read somewhere that your top domestic division must have a minmum 30 games to satisfy the CL qualifying criteria.
Playing each other twice also means we can scrap these midweek fixtures, away to Killie
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away to ICT
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in the middle o' the winter. Whats the matter o' having a couple o' midweek games in August or April, if they're needed at all?
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It could also mean bringing the League Cup early rounds back on a saturday, which at the moment, is what the SFL want to do with the semi's, giving it a higher profile.

[HailHail]

Originally Posted by Gunnerhibby

Plans for a complete overhaul of Scottish Fitbaw are long overdue.

I have thought for a long time why we did'nae adopt the Engerlush "pyramid" system, giving access to teams outwith the "pro" league.

Teams like Albion Rovers(3rd bottom), East Fife(2nd bottom) and East Stirling(bottom) might even benefit from a "recuperating" period in a regional Junior, or East Senior, type league.

There are plenty teams iin the Junior ranks who have similar, or better, facilities than some SFL teams. Some can also boast of higher gates too.

As far as the SPL clubs go, well, its like turkeys voting for Xmas. Some just wont go along with it in case it they have a bad season and end up in the relegation zone. They dont give a fcuk about the state of the game as a whole, as long as they have their 3-4 games against the Infirm, that keeps them afloat.

I've always thought we should go back to playing each other twice a season, bringing the SPL back up to 16 teams. This gives us 30 games a season and keeps us in with Uefa for CL place(s). Read somewhere that your top domestic division must have a minmum 30 games to satisfy the CL qualifying criteria.
Playing each other twice also means we can scrap these midweek fixtures, away to Killie
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away to ICT
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in the middle o' the winter. Whats the matter o' having a couple o' midweek games in August or April, if they're needed at all?
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It could also mean bringing the League back on a saturday, which at the moment, is what the SFL want to do with the semi's, giving it a higher profile.

you're right about certain clubs not giving a f##k too, why would say, last seasons bottom 4 vote for it? turkeys voting for christmas.

16 teams sounds ideal, might close the gap too with more tricky away games for the old squirm rather than playing teams twice at smelltic park/scumbrox.

Without a doubt some 3rd division teams would vanish, but no one wants to deny them existence, they should just play in a setup more appropriate to their standing.

The only thing with the juniors especially the ayrshire ones is the amount of huns who support rangers and their local junior team, if kick offs clashed that could be a problem , for them anyway.

[Gunnerhibby]

Originally Posted by D.K

Christ Dudge, that could've meant that the Gunner and your goodself, could've played your way up the pyramid:YAYYY:
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Once we'd turned over the Edinburgh Amateurs, the Lothians were then ransacked, but then the East Seniors widnae entertain us
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[Gunnerhibby]

Originally Posted by HailHail

you're right about certain clubs not giving a f##k too, why would say, last seasons bottom 4 vote for it? turkeys voting for christmas.

16 teams sounds ideal, might close the gap too with more tricky away games for the old squirm rather than playing teams twice at smelltic park/scumbrox.

Without a doubt some 3rd division teams would vanish, but no one wants to deny them existence, they should just play in a setup more appropriate to their standing.

Some 2nd and 3rd division clubs should seriously look at doing this now, before its too late. A lot of these clubs cherish their pro-league status, but it could mean the death of them, but, if done right, they could end up being a major success in a regional Junior or East Senior league

Originally Posted by HailHail

The only thing with the juniors especially the ayrshire ones is the amount of huns who support rangers and their local junior team, if kick offs clashed that could be a problem , for them anyway.

Airdrie manage it
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Fuck the Huns
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