Should Clarke and Prescott resign?

[Bartok]

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Clarke and Prescott: Should they stay or should they go?

Senior cabinet figures on the brink after fresh revelations

Published: 01 May 2006

SHOULD CLARKE RESIGN?

YES...

* He has failed first task of a Home Secretary: to protect the public.

* He was told foreign prisoners were being released without due deportation procedures in August, but did nothing.

* He misled the PM and the public by claiming "very, very few" foreign prisoners had been let out since August.

* Any offences committed by the 288 foreign nationals released since then are his responsibility. One foreign national who could have been deported on release went on to commit rape.

* Ministers should accept responsibility for their department's mistakes.

NO...

* This problem has been going on for years. At least he owned up to it.

* The mistakes have been made by immigration officers, not policy-makers.

* The Home Office is too big and disparate for one cabinet minister to manage.

* Clarke's job now is to solve the problem, not walk away.

* People calling for his resignation have not said who they think can better do the job of clearing up the problems.

SHOULD PRESCOTT RESIGN?

YES...

* He is a laughing stock after the series of tawdry revelations and demeaning pictures of an affair with his secretary.

* A man in his high position needs judgement and political awareness. He appears to have lost both.

* Voters cannot trust the word of a man who lies to his wife.

* When Tory politicians faced similar difficulties, Prescott delighted in ridiculing them.

* He is 67, so he will have to go soon anyway. What remains of his career will be nothing but humiliation.

NO...

* There is nothing to suggest that his affair with Tracey Temple affected his conduct as a minister.

* Blair and Brown want him to help supervise an orderly transfer of power.

* You should not sack people for having office affairs. If you do, this could cause problems in thousands of workplaces.

* John F Kennedy, H H Asquith, David Lloyd George and Bill Clinton were fine politicians who cheated on their wives. Stalin stayed faithful, but was a monster.

* Pauline Prescott has suffered enough. The last thing she needs is her husband hanging around at home all day after being forced out in humiliating circumstance.

SHOULD CLARKE RESIGN?

YES...

* He has failed first task of a Home Secretary: to protect the public.

* He was told foreign prisoners were being released without due deportation procedures in August, but did nothing.

* He misled the PM and the public by claiming "very, very few" foreign prisoners had been let out since August.

* Any offences committed by the 288 foreign nationals released since then are his responsibility. One foreign national who could have been deported on release went on to commit rape.

* Ministers should accept responsibility for their department's mistakes.

NO...

* This problem has been going on for years. At least he owned up to it.

* The mistakes have been made by immigration officers, not policy-makers.

* The Home Office is too big and disparate for one cabinet minister to manage.

* Clarke's job now is to solve the problem, not walk away.

* People calling for his resignation have not said who they think can better do the job of clearing up the problems.

SHOULD PRESCOTT RESIGN?

YES...

* He is a laughing stock after the series of tawdry revelations and demeaning pictures of an affair with his secretary.

* A man in his high position needs judgement and political awareness. He appears to have lost both.

* Voters cannot trust the word of a man who lies to his wife.

* When Tory politicians faced similar difficulties, Prescott delighted in ridiculing them.

* He is 67, so he will have to go soon anyway. What remains of his career will be nothing but humiliation.

NO...

* There is nothing to suggest that his affair with Tracey Temple affected his conduct as a minister.

* Blair and Brown want him to help supervise an orderly transfer of power.

* You should not sack people for having office affairs. If you do, this could cause problems in thousands of workplaces.

* John F Kennedy, H H Asquith, David Lloyd George and Bill Clinton were fine politicians who cheated on their wives. Stalin stayed faithful, but was a monster.

* Pauline Prescott has suffered enough. The last thing she needs is her husband hanging around at home all day after being forced out in humiliating circumstance.


I think they should both go. They hve a responsibility to cabinet for their actions and should at least offer to resign. And if I were PM I'd accept both.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Clark should resign. It's a joke that something so serious has happened and the buck has to stop with him. If any of us made a mistake as serious as that at work then we would be sacked if we didn't leave with dignity. I'm sick of the 'let's learn from this mistake' culture that exists in the UK - whatever happened to responsibility?

Prescott should not resign - couldn't give a monkeys chuff what the dirty bastard gets up to in the boudoir!!!

[oo2beahibby]

Yes on both counts, but with the New Labour hierachy becoming as arrogant as the Tories were in their last throes of power, I'll be surprised if they do.

[fifer]

Both should go. The arrogance of this government is astonishing.

[hibsbollah]

seems as if politicians never resign anymore...if prescott was found in a coven with candle wax on his nipples Blair would say it was 'a private matter...'

Not when its splattered all over the papers it isnt Bliar
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[Smurf]

Both have to go. On Prescott i've changed my mind this weekend.

Prescott because he abused his position and was shagging when meant to be working.

Clarke because he is organised chaos.

[Purple & Green]

Tough on sleaze and tough on the causes of sleaze.

[Bartok]

Originally Posted by Bobby S

Tough on sleaze and tough on the causes of sleaze.

What a memory
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[Colr]

Word on the street is that Prescott was on the way out anyway. This means it will happen a bit faster than planned.

Clarke's position is untenable now this issue is also going to be painted by the press as an extension of the immigration failures from earlier in their administration.

How crap are the tories at exploiting this, BTW. Why is Cameron still poofing around on a sledge when he should be making political capital!!?

[egb_hibs]

I think clarke should stay as i find his prissy voice strangely soothing on the radio. Prescott, otoh, should go, cos his head looks like a potato.

[KABULHIBBY]

Originally Posted by D.K

Prezza to stay, where else would middle class England pour it's scorn on a working man made very very good. Two Jags and plenty shags. As for Clarke, he should stay too. Why, to thwart the power of the parasites of the press, no less. Mainly owned by Tories or of the Tory persuasion
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Prescot stays after allegedly abusing his office to employ his mistress yet if two members of the military are caught in an affair both are courts martialled, dismissed with disgrace,lose pension and future salary rights. Funny enough the government that forced the "standards" edict on the military is the one that doesn't apply it to it's own crown officers
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Clarke HAS to go, the man is a feckin moron, he screwed up the health job and is now doing the same to the home office, money would be on John Reid to take over and metaphysically kick ass

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by D.K

I have a problem with the notion of crown officers, oaths of alleigance. But not to guys in power sowing their wild oats, you'd be as well legislating against fish swimming
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I smell a red herring!!!
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The debate is not about 'crown officers' but whether useless imbeciles, elected or not, should keep their jobs when they fuck it up!


I would be fired if a srewed mine up as bad, why shouldn't they??



(perhaps i should have been sent doon the road a while ago?)
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[Seven Tattoos]

I think that to show them the error of their ways, they should be taken to a youth penal institution in England and Prescott should be held down while Charles Clarke gives him one up the erss (a la potting shed scene in 'Scum'). Then Prescott'll know what it's like to be phucked and Charles Clarke'll know what goes on in prison.

I could, of course, just be talkin gratuitously offensive sh!te.

[Hibbie0762]

Originally Posted by KABULHIBBY

Prescot stays after allegedly abusing his office to employ his mistress yet if two members of the military are caught in an affair both are courts martialled, dismissed with disgrace,lose pension and future salary rights. Funny enough the government that forced the "standards" edict on the military is the one that doesn't apply it to it's own crown officers
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Clarke HAS to go, the man is a feckin moron, he screwed up the health job and is now doing the same to the home office, money would be on John Reid to take over and metaphysically kick ass

I reckon Prescott has to go because he has lost what little authority he had left and can never be taken seriously again. It is not as if we could put his picture on Election leaflets or take him out campaigning and raise anything more than a good laugh among voters. Though if Ms Temple's diary is to be believed, there were occasions when Two Jabs/Jags/Shags himself couldn't raise much more than a smile.

Clarke has to go too. The Home Office is a law unto itself and a mess and has been for decades. Clarke was offered the chance when he took the brief to split the department up, but chose not to do so as it would have reduced his empire. For that self-interest and misjudgement alone, he deserves to go. The deportation stuff was a mess made by officials until Clarke became aware of it and failed to tackle it. At that stage it became his mess.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by D.K

So meltdown for your party in the English Locals and the Scottish Hoylroods next year - that'll do for me
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As NL done so badly in the last English Locals, so starting from a low base, and as the Tories may not do so well i suspect Friday may not be so bad..

Next year is all to play for but the Nats look a long long way from cashing in..

[Bartok]

Originally Posted by Hibbie0762

I reckon Prescott has to go because he has lost what little authority he had left and can never be taken seriously again. It is not as if we could put his picture on Election leaflets or take him out campaigning and raise anything more than a good laugh among voters. Though if Ms Temple's diary is to be believed, there were occasions when Two Jabs/Jags/Shags himself couldn't raise much more than a smile.

Clarke has to go too. The Home Office is a law unto itself and a mess and has been for decades. Clarke was offered the chance when he took the brief to split the department up, but chose not to do so as it would have reduced his empire. For that self-interest and misjudgement alone, he deserves to go. The deportation stuff was a mess made by officials until Clarke became aware of it and failed to tackle it. At that stage it became his mess.

Sums up exactly how I feel.
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