Was Alex McLeish all that bad?

[snoots]

It seems now that Judas Iscariot may be a
hero; apparently Jesus instructed Judas to betray him:

"But the Gospel of Judas puts Judas in a positive light, identifying him as
Christ's favourite disciple and depicting his betrayal as the fulfilment of
a divine mission to enable the crucifixion - and thus the foundation of
Christianity - to take place."
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For a fuller account see National Geographic. As well, pages of the
manuscript can be read in English:
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From 'National Public Radio' some very good general questions and answers
about the document:
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"The Gospel of Judas presents a newly discovered account of the life of
Jesus Christ. But how can its authenticity be verified? When was this gospel
written and by whom? The research and documentary will uncover fascinating
details contained within the document as well as key sections translated
from its ancient Coptic script. It will also examine the modern history of
the document since it was found, including the exhaustive restoration and
conservation process."

* * * *
The gospel as endorsed by Elaine Pagels as "astonishing" is in book form
with a commentary by Bart Ehrman; _The Gospel of Judas_ can be purchased
from Amazon, $14.30/US, 192 pages.

This site by Roger Pearse appears to have most of the English text of
the manuscript.
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[Northern Ireland Hibby]

But the Gospel of Judas puts Judas in a positive light, identifying him as
Christ's favourite disciple and depicting his betrayal as the fulfilment of
a divine mission to enable the crucifixion - and thus the foundation of
Christianity - to take place."

I've always thought this to be the case anyway.

BTW, I don't care how many manuscripts they find. McLeish is still a GJP.

[snoots]

Originally Posted by Northern Ireland Hibby

McLeish is still a GJP.

That's the Gospel
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[Burbank Lilywhite]

Originally Posted by Lord_Notsnooty

That's the Gospel
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Amen.

[emerald green]

Originally Posted by Lord_Notsnooty

It seems now that Judas Iscariot may be a
hero; apparently Jesus instructed Judas to betray him:

"But the Gospel of Judas puts Judas in a positive light, identifying him as
Christ's favourite disciple and depicting his betrayal as the fulfilment of
a divine mission to enable the crucifixion - and thus the foundation of
Christianity - to take place."
[Only Registered Users Can See Links. Click Here To Register]

For a fuller account see National Geographic. As well, pages of the
manuscript can be read in English:
[Only Registered Users Can See Links. Click Here To Register]

From 'National Public Radio' some very good general questions and answers
about the document:
[Only Registered Users Can See Links. Click Here To Register]



"The Gospel of Judas presents a newly discovered account of the life of
Jesus Christ. But how can its authenticity be verified? When was this gospel
written and by whom? The research and documentary will uncover fascinating
details contained within the document as well as key sections translated
from its ancient Coptic script. It will also examine the modern history of
the document since it was found, including the exhaustive restoration and
conservation process."

* * * *
The gospel as endorsed by Elaine Pagels as "astonishing" is in book form
with a commentary by Bart Ehrman; _The Gospel of Judas_ can be purchased
from Amazon, $14.30/US, 192 pages.

This site by Roger Pearse appears to have most of the English text of
the manuscript.
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Outstanding. Seen the adverts for Nat G. Waiting patiently for 9pm Sunday
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[BurbankHibee]

Yes, the man signed Hurtado FFS.

[500miles]

Originally Posted by BurbankHibee

Yes, the man signed Hurtado FFS.

Aye, but he also signed Sauzee and Latapy
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And Zittelli, Patelinnen and Matty Jack

[Postiga]

The guy will always be remember as a GJP in my book.

[Greenmachine]

I know a lot of fellow Hibbies will disagree with me here for justifiable reasons, but it's just my opinion. McLeish on the whole, was a superb manager for Hibs. What taints his image for just about everybody was the manner of his departure and his signing of the odd huddy like Hurtado and Orman.

In his first few months he stabilised a very poor team, but was appointed far too late to give us any chance of avoiding relegation. The next season, backed by the board who knew we had to come up in one season, he was given the resources to bring in the players required, and we won the First Division by the highest margin ever.

First season back up, we finish a respectable sixth, the next season third, a place in Europe and a Scottish Cup Final. We then beat AEK Athens at ER. OK, he was backed with Sky TV money but he brought in some excellent players including three Hibs legends in Latapy, Sauzee, and Mixu. Our defence was very solid during his tenure as well. In short, he improved Hibs every season until the start of the season 2001/02 when he had clearly decided he was off.

So overall, he was an excellent manager for Hibs IMO. However, he had lost interest in the job after the summer of 2001 when both West Ham and Rangers had approached him. If he had been up-front and honest with the fans and the club over the Rangers move, I believe he would still have been held in very regard by the Hibs fans.

[Davy]

never really understood the outcry against him, he was never a Hibee, he was a don, he left motherwell in the lurch and we were fine with that, surely we knew he would do it to us, now he is getting his come uppance at gers but no doubt will land a decent job. he was good for us for a time but few will see hibs as the job for life like Turnbull who was booted when the sun didnt shine as did stanton, and who can blame mcleish for leaving if we never showed loyalty to the aforementioned who were green through and through. Basically I would say to the hibs board, sign ME as manager, I come cheap and i will never sell my soul to the Hun, nor the fenian for that matter
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[Northern Ireland Hibby]

nor the fenian for that matter

First time I've ever heard a Hibby use that word, in joke or otherwise.

With respect, it's a good bit harsher than 'hun' and is fairly offensive in any context. But maybe that's just me.

[snoots]

Alex McLeish did with Hibs what he does with all his clubs. Signs 7 bad players to find 3 good ones. He hit the jackpot with Sauzee/Latapy but took a season to discover how to utilise their talents successfully.

He signed 58 players for Hibs and it's up to you to decide how many of them were good, bad, indifferent or shee-ite. Not only that he knew for 6 months before leaving us in the lurch that he was going to leave us in the lurch and tried to leave us in as bad a lurch as he possibly could. He gave Latapy every leeway he possibly could until we were in line for a good chance at the SC then sacked him for doing what he had been doing the whole time he was here.

He allowed (perhaps even encouraged) divisions to develop in the dressing room and did nothing to stop them, he signed poor players on good wages and left us (the fans and our pockets) to carry the can - and we're still barely out of those woods as I type.

For me without Andy Watson he'd be an even poorer bet than he is now.

A vvanker of ever there was one.

[Purple & Green]

Originally Posted by Lord_Notsnooty

Not only that he knew for 6 months before leaving us in the lurch that he was going to leave us in the lurch and tried to leave us in as bad a lurch as he possibly could.

I'm sure i heard that he was pulled into the boardroom in the couple of weeks prior to his departure because the board had got wind of his impending departure to Rangers. He denied it all: and the board released more funds for The plank.

Pute.

[BurbankHibee]

Originally Posted by Lord_Notsnooty

Alex McLeish did with Hibs what he does with all his clubs. Signs 7 bad players to find 3 good ones.

Are you not being a bit generous with that ratio ?
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[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by Lord_Notsnooty

Alex McLeish did with Hibs what he does with all his clubs. Signs 7 bad players to find 3 good ones. He hit the jackpot with Sauzee/Latapy but took a season to discover how to utilise their talents successfully.

He signed 58 players for Hibs and it's up to you to decide how many of them were good, bad, indifferent or shee-ite. Not only that he knew for 6 months before leaving us in the lurch that he was going to leave us in the lurch and tried to leave us in as bad a lurch as he possibly could. He gave Latapy every leeway he possibly could until we were in line for a good chance at the SC then sacked him for doing what he had been doing the whole time he was here.

He allowed (perhaps even encouraged) divisions to develop in the dressing room and did nothing to stop them, he signed poor players on good wages and left us (the fans and our pockets) to carry the can - and we're still barely out of those woods as I type.

For me without Andy Watson he'd be an even poorer bet than he is now.

A vvanker of ever there was one.

58 players - really?!? Feck me.

[snoots]

Originally Posted by BurbankHibee

Are you not being a bit generous with that ratio ?
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Canny help masel, mate. Generous is me all over.
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I just find it hard to see how anyone can defend the guy considering the state he left us in and some his decisions whilst in charge. Some will argue, and they are right to do so, that the board gave him the dough to make all those cock-ups - but as Bobby points out he was double-talking them right up to the point he left.

The fact he has said nada about his time at Hibs since shows me the mettle of the guy.

A cocks*cker, and a two-faced, backstabbing, lurch leaving cocks*cker at that.

I just dinny like the guy.

Hope he's manager of the gunts by the time Vlad The Peefortyfiver pulls the plug.

[snoots]

Originally Posted by egb_hibs

58 players - really?!? Feck me.

I'm sure that's correct, e. Or at least in the vicinity.

Bobby S is the stats man.

Bobby?

[BurbankHibee]

If he signed 58 players for Hibs alone, then we should be looking for about 25 good players. Latapy, Sauzee, Mixu, O'Neil springs to mind but I never really got to see Hibs play much but I seem to remember a revolving door of fringe players. Zitelli ? Some other French forward, I thought Freddy Arpignon looked promising. Anybody remember Fabrice Henry ?
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[Purple & Green]

Originally Posted by Lord_Notsnooty

I'm sure that's correct, e. Or at least in the vicinity.

Bobby S is the stats man.

Bobby?

58 Sounds about right....

1997/1998
Bryan Gunn
Justin Skinner
Grant Brebner [loan]
2[1]

1998/1999
Stuart Lovell
Paul Holsgrove
Mixu Paatelainen
Paul Lovering
Derek Collins
Paul Hartley
Tom Smith
Franck Sauzee
Alex Marinkov
Peter Guggi
Klaus Deitrich
Russell Latapy
Derek Anderson
Barry Prenderville[loan]
13[1]

1999/2000
Dirk Lehmann
Colin Morton
Tom Phillips
Ian Murray
Fabrice Henry
Matthias Jack
Nick Colgan
Grant Brebner
Martin McIntosh
Ulrik Laursen
Paul Fenwick
John O'Neil
Gary Smith
Ian Westwater
Hakim Sar-Temsoury
Earl Jean
16[0]

2000/2001
Didier Agathe
Lyndon Andrews
David Zitelli
Frederic Arpinon
Ulrik Laursen
Mike Franks
Marc Libbra[loan]
6[1]

2001/2002
Ulises De la Cruz
Alen Orman
Paco Luna
Derek Townsley
Tony Caig
Craig Brewster
Matthias Doumbe
Eduardo Hurtado
Allan Smart [loan]
8[1]

What's that? 45 signed and 4 loans?

I'm sure there's more.

[Purple & Green]

There is more:

The likes of Sean Widera and John Campbell also signed for McLeish.

[BurbankHibee]

De La Cruz, where the heck is he now ?