Scientology, your feeble bid to save humanity will fail!

[hibadelic]

Originally Posted by Trey Parker and Matt Stone

Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!!

Over-sensitive Church of Scientology flexes it's muscles at South Park. A religion, unable to laugh at itself? Who would have thought it?

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[Colr]

The "Hidden Truth" about the nature of the universe is taught to only the most advanced Scientologists, those who have achieved the level "clear", in a series of courses known as the Advanced Levels. The contents of these courses are held in strict confidence within Scientology. They have never been published by the Church, except for use in highly secure areas. The most advanced of all are the eight Operating Thetan levels, which require the initiate to be thoroughly prepared. The highest level, OT VIII, is only disclosed at sea, on the Scientology cruise ship Freewinds. Because Scientology is a mystery religion, the more closely guarded and esoteric teachings imparted at these higher levels may not always be entirely consistent with its entry-level teachings.

In the confidential OT levels, Hubbard describes a variety of traumas commonly experienced in past lives. He also explained how to reverse the effects of such traumas. Among these advanced teachings, one episode that is revealed to those who reach OT level III has been widely remarked upon in the press: the story of Xenu, the galactic tyrant who first kidnapped certain individuals who were deemed "excess population" and loaded these individuals into space planes for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth). These space planes were said to have been copies of Douglas DC-8s, except with rocket engines. He then stacked hundreds of billions of these frozen victims around Earth's volcanoes 75 million years ago before blowing them up with hydrogen bombs and brainwashing them with a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for 36 days, telling them lies of what they are and what the universe should be like and telling them that they are 3 different things: 'Jesus, God, and The Devil.' The traumatized thetans subsequently clustered around human bodies because they watched the motion picture together, making them think they are all the same thing, in effect acting as invisible spiritual parasites known as "body thetans" that can only be removed using advanced Scientology techniques. Xenu is allegedly imprisoned in a mountain by a force field powered by an eternal battery. He is said to be still alive today.

Scientologists argue that published accounts of the Xenu story and other colorful teachings are presented out of context for the purpose of ridiculing their religion. Journalists and critics of Scientology counter that Xenu is part of a much wider Scientology belief in past lives on other planets, some of which has been public knowledge for decades. For instance, Hubbard's 1958 book Have You Lived Before This Life documents past lives described by individual Scientologists during auditing sessions. These included memories of being "deceived into a love affair with a robot decked out as a beautiful blond-haired girl", being run over by a Martian bishop driving a steamroller, being transformed into an intergalactic walrus that perished after falling out of a flying saucer, and being "a very happy being who strayed to the planet Nostra 23,064,000,000 years ago".

Scientologists argue that most members of the organization have not attained a sufficiently high level to learn about Xenu. Therefore, while knowledge of Xenu and Body Thetans is said to be crucial to the highest level church teachings, it cannot be regarded as a core belief of rank and file Scientologists. Such information is not published in commonly available materials, and as such may not be part of what the vast majority of ordinary Scientologists believe.

Critics point out that Scientology literature does include many references to extraterrestrial past lives (even to low levels on the bridge), and that internal Scientology publications are often illustrated with pictures of spaceships and oblique references to catastrophic events that happened "75 million years ago" (e.g. the Xenu incident). This material ties in to the general purpose of Scientology, which is to learn about these "whole track" incidents on the OT Levels to confront the negativity the mind still holds from these incidents, and as a result to be free of the ill effects of these "whole track" incidents. Thereby, it is believed by Scientologists that they will achieve greater freedom, happiness, and abilities in their present lives.

It seems to be a basic requirement of religious belief to swallow, wholesale, any amount of utter bullshit you are asked to by your "leaders".

[Ewan]

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You would have never guessed that Ron Hubbard was a sci-fi writer.

[Colr]

Originally Posted by 23 years a hibee!

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You would have never guessed that Ron Hubbard was a sci-fi writer.

Famous scientologists include Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

[Smurf]

I used to deliberately allow myself to get stopped in the Bridges to undergo their analysis questionaires...

Absolute barking..

[hibadelic]

Originally Posted by Smurf

I used to deliberately allow myself to get stopped in the Bridges to undergo their analysis questionaires...

Absolute barking..

And the Scientologists aren't much better. Boom Boom
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[Smurf]

Originally Posted by hibadelic

And the Scientologists aren't much better. Boom Boom
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[BurbankHibee]

Originally Posted by Smurf

I used to deliberately allow myself to get stopped in the Bridges to undergo their analysis questionaires...

Absolute barking..

Aye, when I had the time I would entertain myself with them. Are they still there ?

The stooshie with South Park is pretty funny;

NEW YORK -
Isaac Hayes has quit "South Park," where he voices Chef, saying he can no longer stomach its take on religion.

Hayes, who has played the ladies' man/school cook in the animated Comedy Central satire since 1997, said in a statement Monday that he feels a line has been crossed.

"There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry towards religious beliefs of others begins," the 63-year-old soul singer and outspoken Scientologist said.

"Religious beliefs are sacred to people, and at all times should be respected and honored," he continued. "As a civil rights activist of the past 40 years, I cannot support a show that disrespects those beliefs and practices."

"South Park" co-creator Matt Stone responded sharply in an interview with The Associated Press Monday, saying, "This is 100 percent having to do with his faith of Scientology... He has no problem — and he's cashed plenty of checks — with our show making fun of Christians."

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Aye, howling at the moon barking mad.

[part/time supporter]

Originally Posted by Colr

Famous scientologists include Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

I know this is a long shot, but has anyone else ever watched Battlefield Earth?


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[BurbankHibee]

Originally Posted by part/time supporter

I know this is a long shot, but has anyone else ever watched Battlefield Earth?

AYE !!! I have watched it a few times. That it is so bad is what makes it so good. It has absolutley no redeeming features. It is utter $hite from start to finish. Although there is a scene where Travolta's character shoots the leg off a coo from a good distance which is noteworthy.

[Cowshed Graffiti]

Originally Posted by hibadelic

A religion, unable to laugh at itself? Who would have thought it?

It's not a religion. It's a cult. And a sinister one at that.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by Cowshed Graffiti

It's not a religion. It's a cult. And a sinister one at that.

Do we know of any well known British folk who are members of this cult?

[DarrenSQH]

Downloaded that episode. Very funny. Specially when Tom Cruise is in the closet.
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[Colr]

Originally Posted by Smurf

Do we know of any well known British folk who are members of this cult?

General celebrities
Kirstie Alley, actress
Anne Archer, actress (her son, Tom Davis, runs the Los Angeles celebrity center)
Lynsey Bartilson, actress
Catherine Bell, actress
Mary Bono, congresswoman
Sonny Bono, artist and congressman (claimed Catholicism on campaign biographies)
Rufus Buck, folk singer
David Campbell, musician
Nancy Cartwright, voiceover artist, most famous as the voice of Bart Simpson
Sharon Case, actress
Kate Ceberano, actress and musician
Erika Christensen, actress
Chick Corea, musician
Tom Cruise, actor (formerly Catholic, according to Parade)
Sky Dayton, founder and Chairman of the Board of EarthLink
Jason Dohring, actor
Jenna Elfman, actress, formerly Catholic, and her husband Bodhi, actor
Brent Graber, voice of 'Otis' in movie 'Milo and Otis'
Zachary Goertz, actor
Paul Haggis, director
Beck Hansen, musician
Isaac Hayes, musician, actor, and (formerly) voiceover artist ("Chef")
Katie Holmes, actress, introduced to Scientology by fiance Tom Cruise
Nicky Hopkins, musician
Mark Isham, musician
Terry Jastrow, TV producer and director (married to Anne Archer)
Mike Joubert, Bronson Pinchot's voice coach
Cyprien Katsaris, musician
Chaka Khan, singer
Jason Lee, actor and professional skateboarder
Paul Leland, magician
Geoffrey Lewis, actor
Johnny Lewis, actor
Juliette Lewis, actress
Peggy Lipton, actress
Nathan Luksa, The Bus Stop
Christopher Masterson, actor
Danny Masterson, actor
Lisa McPherson, died at Fort Harrison Hotel
Peter Medak, director
Jim Meskimen, actor and improviser
Sofia Milos, actress (CSI: Miami)
Elisabeth Moss, actress
Floyd Mutrux, writer, director and producer
Haywood Nelson, actor
Corin Nemec, actor
Marisol Nichols, actress
Judy Norton, actress and musician
Eduardo Palomo, actor, and his wife Carina, actress and musician
Don Pearson, 'Management by Statistics' consultant
Michael Pena, actor
Bernadette Peters, actress and singer (source: Bergen Record 3/10/1985, may be an ex-member)
Jeff Pomerantz, actor and founder of Hollywood Says No to Drugs
Lisa Marie Presley, singer and daughter of Elvis
Priscilla Presley, actress and wife of Elvis
Kelly Preston, actress and John Travolta's wife
Leah Remini, actress
Giovanni Ribisi, actor
Marissa Ribisi, actress, wife of Beck Hansen, sister of Giovanni Ribisi.
Carina Ricco, singer, actress and composer
Michael D. Roberts, actor
Mimi Rogers, actress -- believed to not be active in the church anymore, but still holds the beliefs
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Congresswoman
Gloria Rusch-Novello, singer, writer and actress
Pablo Santos, actor
Meghan Schlinder, swimsuit model
Kristin Schwing, actress
Jeffrey Scott, writer for TV cartoons
Billy Sheehan, rock bassist
David Singer, chiropractor, 'Management by Statistics' consultant
Reed Slatkin, criminal ponzi scheme perpetrator
Michelle Stafford, actress
Ethan Suplee, actor
Patrick Swayze, actor
Greta Van Susteren, host of On the Record with Greta Van Susteren on FNC
John Travolta, actor
Josh Wiener, actor
Edgar Winter, musician
David Wittig, CEO
Bryan Zwan, founder of Digital Lightwave, inventor of fiber-optic testing equipment
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Former members
J. J. Abrams, Writer
John Brodie, football player
William S. Burroughs, author, Beat Generation icon (later denounced it)
Leonard Cohen, singer, songwriter (at New York Org in late 60s)
Werner Erhard, founder of EST
Emilio Estevez, actor (renounced and won't discuss it)
Philip Gale, MIT student and primary developer of EarthLink's innovative ISP software; committed suicide on Hubbard's birthday
Gloria Gaynor, singer (later renounced)
Charles Manson, serial killer (only read books in prison in the early 1960s)
Ricky Martin, singer (says he dabbled in it)
Van Morrison, singer, songwriter (renounced Scientology in the 1980s)
Lou Rawls, singer (renounced Scientology)
Melanie Safka, singer, songwriter (renounced Scientology)
Barbara Schwarz, former Scientologist claiming Hubbard parentage
Jerry Seinfeld, comedian
Oliver Stone, director (said involvement was finished after 4 months)
Sharon Stone, actress (reportedly now a convert to Buddhism)

[egb_hibs]

Originally Posted by Colr

The "Hidden Truth" about the nature of the universe is taught to only the most advanced Scientologists, those who have achieved the level "clear", in a series of courses known as the Advanced Levels. The contents of these courses are held in strict confidence within Scientology. They have never been published by the Church, except for use in highly secure areas. The most advanced of all are the eight Operating Thetan levels, which require the initiate to be thoroughly prepared. The highest level, OT VIII, is only disclosed at sea, on the Scientology cruise ship Freewinds. Because Scientology is a mystery religion, the more closely guarded and esoteric teachings imparted at these higher levels may not always be entirely consistent with its entry-level teachings.

In the confidential OT levels, Hubbard describes a variety of traumas commonly experienced in past lives. He also explained how to reverse the effects of such traumas. Among these advanced teachings, one episode that is revealed to those who reach OT level III has been widely remarked upon in the press: the story of Xenu, the galactic tyrant who first kidnapped certain individuals who were deemed "excess population" and loaded these individuals into space planes for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth). These space planes were said to have been copies of Douglas DC-8s, except with rocket engines. He then stacked hundreds of billions of these frozen victims around Earth's volcanoes 75 million years ago before blowing them up with hydrogen bombs and brainwashing them with a "three-D, super colossal motion picture" for 36 days, telling them lies of what they are and what the universe should be like and telling them that they are 3 different things: 'Jesus, God, and The Devil.' The traumatized thetans subsequently clustered around human bodies because they watched the motion picture together, making them think they are all the same thing, in effect acting as invisible spiritual parasites known as "body thetans" that can only be removed using advanced Scientology techniques. Xenu is allegedly imprisoned in a mountain by a force field powered by an eternal battery. He is said to be still alive today.

Scientologists argue that published accounts of the Xenu story and other colorful teachings are presented out of context for the purpose of ridiculing their religion. Journalists and critics of Scientology counter that Xenu is part of a much wider Scientology belief in past lives on other planets, some of which has been public knowledge for decades. For instance, Hubbard's 1958 book Have You Lived Before This Life documents past lives described by individual Scientologists during auditing sessions. These included memories of being "deceived into a love affair with a robot decked out as a beautiful blond-haired girl", being run over by a Martian bishop driving a steamroller, being transformed into an intergalactic walrus that perished after falling out of a flying saucer, and being "a very happy being who strayed to the planet Nostra 23,064,000,000 years ago".

Scientologists argue that most members of the organization have not attained a sufficiently high level to learn about Xenu. Therefore, while knowledge of Xenu and Body Thetans is said to be crucial to the highest level church teachings, it cannot be regarded as a core belief of rank and file Scientologists. Such information is not published in commonly available materials, and as such may not be part of what the vast majority of ordinary Scientologists believe.

Critics point out that Scientology literature does include many references to extraterrestrial past lives (even to low levels on the bridge), and that internal Scientology publications are often illustrated with pictures of spaceships and oblique references to catastrophic events that happened "75 million years ago" (e.g. the Xenu incident). This material ties in to the general purpose of Scientology, which is to learn about these "whole track" incidents on the OT Levels to confront the negativity the mind still holds from these incidents, and as a result to be free of the ill effects of these "whole track" incidents. Thereby, it is believed by Scientologists that they will achieve greater freedom, happiness, and abilities in their present lives.

It seems to be a basic requirement of religious belief to swallow, wholesale, any amount of utter bullshit you are asked to by your "leaders".

I think scientology is a good tester for the question "what is a religion?" - for instance, I think i'm right in saying that it is an example of a non-theistic one.

ps I've seen a couple of programmes about it a while back and I could never make up my mind whether LRH was a sinister svengali, or working a huge practical joke.

[DarrenSQH]

Just found out what they believe.
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Originally Posted by Tom Cruise and other radges

Evil alien empire ruler trapped all the other poor wee aliens, Then frooze them and took them on big ships to earth. They then dropped the frozen aliens into the volcanoes which caused them to die. The soules went into soul catches built by the evil emperor. Eventually the aliens souls escape and went into humans.

[Ewan]

Originally Posted by Colr

Sharon Stone, actress (reportedly now a convert to Buddhism)

Better late than never Sharon.
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[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally Posted by 23 years a hibee!

Better late than never Sharon.
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Sharon Stone has a fine figure for a woman of 50 (ish)
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[Ewan]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

Sharon Stone has a fine figure for a woman of 50 (ish)
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It'll be all that pole dancing. Or Kung-fu. But mostly pole dancing.