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Old 03-11-06, 21:23   #3
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Re: Palestinian Flag and Pope T-Shirt?

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Football stadiums for football only, erse. I was wondering if anyone could confirm something i read that surprised me. The truth that Palestine is no more real than Never Never Land, the first time Palestine was used was in 70AD when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the temple and declared the land of Israel will be no more. They promised from then on the land of Israel would be known as Palestine - a name derived from the Phillistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews earlier. Palestine has never existed before or since as an autonomous entity. There is no launguage known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestine culture. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese or Iraqis.There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. It was ruled alterrnatively by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Turks and, briefly the British after WW1.

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No expert but AFAIK some of that has a kernel of truth and some is bollocks.

To the best of my knowledge:

- Palestinians are arabs, indistinguishable from etc etc - not true, palestinians are in fact semites, as are the jews from that part of the world.

- there has never been a land known as palestine governed by palestinians - probably true; the nation state is a western invention and was implemented elsewhere by european colonialists following the collapse of empires. the idea of a territorial nation state is not really a natural fit with islam.

that is not the same as saying the people who are known as palestinians didn't live in the part of the world they today call palestine.

- Palestine is indeed a roman applied name - can't comment on it's etymology
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